Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-01-2012, 05:12 PM
Da Hudge
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04-01-2012, 05:14 PM
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Your house has lost 55% in two years? Where did you buy, Detroit?
04-01-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Food fights are way more fun than this thread has been today. This is like cleaning up after the food fight....
04-01-2012, 05:17 PM
Line Holder
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Where would the company be right now if we had not sacrificed to keep the company in business back in the BK days?
Show me the money (and QOL, and medical plan, and scope).
Show me the money (and QOL, and medical plan, and scope).
MB, I don't know. Liquidated would be my guess. We care about that, but the NMB doesn't. So it's time to start living in the present. Our sacrifices in bankruptcy do not give us present day leverage.
04-01-2012, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
DAL88 Driver, sorry for not responding sooner. I'd love a 43% pay raise.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
If you don't "buy" the fact that the average SWA ca makes 230/year and corresponding FO 140/year, why aren't you comparing compensation to FDX rates?
04-01-2012, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Opus
Your house has lost 55% in two years? Where did you buy, Detroit?
04-01-2012, 05:18 PM
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So one of you ********s must have won the lottery! fess up!
04-01-2012, 05:19 PM
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Here's what I heard on my last trip, speculate amongst yourselves, as usual. Sorry if this has already been coved in past pages, I was on the road for a few days and might have missed it if it was.
Anyway...from two different (Credible) sources; the two negotiating teams have been meeting all day, every day, to try to get this thing wrapped up ASAP. On source said, "By the end of April..."
Really? Two months? That would be a World Record!
OK, why?
The obvious answer is, 'more consolidation' and Richard wants the contract done prior to said consolidation.
OK, Who?
Richard made a lot of noise about HND slots last month...so...who's got HND slots?
Hiwaiian, yes?
And then there's South America, and AA's got lots of that, maybe they want to sell some?
AND...does that give us more leverage? ie. Richard could have a new T/A tomorrow, just RESTORE us to C2K rates and fund our Retirements!
I don't want DALPA to be rushed into another long term, crappy deal, based on some imaginary "Time Crunch". If Richard wants a quick deal, all he has to do is write the check.
Anyway...from two different (Credible) sources; the two negotiating teams have been meeting all day, every day, to try to get this thing wrapped up ASAP. On source said, "By the end of April..."
Really? Two months? That would be a World Record!
OK, why?
The obvious answer is, 'more consolidation' and Richard wants the contract done prior to said consolidation.
OK, Who?
Richard made a lot of noise about HND slots last month...so...who's got HND slots?
Hiwaiian, yes?
And then there's South America, and AA's got lots of that, maybe they want to sell some?
AND...does that give us more leverage? ie. Richard could have a new T/A tomorrow, just RESTORE us to C2K rates and fund our Retirements!
I don't want DALPA to be rushed into another long term, crappy deal, based on some imaginary "Time Crunch". If Richard wants a quick deal, all he has to do is write the check.
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04-01-2012, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
DAL88 Driver, sorry for not responding sooner. I'd love a 43% pay raise.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
Okay, if I can get this straight, My w-2 pay as a 12+ year 777B of $136K, compared to a friend who is a swa 8th year FO who's w-2 was $204k (not counting his 401k and not counting his profitsharing), can be fixed with an 11% payraise?
Torture your numbers all you like, I'm a hard sell on that.
04-01-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by padre2992
DAL88 Driver, sorry for not responding sooner. I'd love a 43% pay raise.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
I can't figure out how you arrive at that value. I've read your explanations in the past, so no need to repeat. Anecdotal, or something from a friend, or back of the napkin calculations are not backed up by Form 41 data. Carl already explained how the 2010 data is bad. I ran it again with 2009 data. Obviously it was a greater differential, but taking DC into account it still appears the Roger 11% is in the ballpark. That is a fact based value based on Form 41 data, their 2006-2011 contract, and our PWA.
And why not have 88 explain "again" how he arrives at that value?
And if you'd like, we've become good anonymous website friends with some of the SWA folks (shhhh... don't tell Tsquare) and we've got the data from them. They explain it very well.
So please show the math. We like the math.
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