padre2992

I did the math about 3 days ago. I'd be happy to be corrected, it's just difficult to accept "my friend" showed me his W2.

DAL73n

If you are sure go onto the thread about Airline Pay 2012 and APC will update the spreadsheet. I have credited my sources (the DAL PWA and APC 2012 Airline Pilot Pay survey) so if there is a correction needed it can be done.

scambo1

Yeah, tell me about it.

It was difficult to accept for me too.

Put out an 11% payraise TA. You'd better be able to sell snow to an eskimo.

forgot to bid

Okay cool, we'd love to look it over if you don't mind posting it.

BTW, what are you comparing? Straight hourly rates on SWA 737 to... DAL 737 or MD88? Which one and why?

And what are you using for the TFP/flight hour conversion or just using the already provided (near as possible) hourly rates on apc?

I like to compare monthly reserve min guarantee (worst case scenario), are you coming up with hourly rates or monthly pay?

Are you calculating 401k contribution for both companies, not just DAL? I think SWA is at 9% or something.

Elliot

Thank you for the correction.

I used to term, "ill-effects", (albeit spelled wrong at first) to help relay the message of your Donut Hole Club. "Vote for us, or D-ALPA, along with their constructive engagement with Delta Mgmt. will continue to erode the pilot profession!!"

Isn't that about right Carl? No other organization other than your Krispy Kreme Fan Club can save the day for the Delta pilots?

Translation: Vote for us, or suffer the ill-effects of the declination of our career/profession at the hands of Delta Mgmt. & D-ALPA.

Are you calling your fellow pilots "quitters" Carl? There's a strong vote of confidence. You did say they have "given up".


So if they "don't care" (you words) about the communication our current union puts out, how can they make an informed decision on whether they want/need a new one? Because you say they do Carl?

Let me include an example Carl. A couple weeks ago, I had lunch with a friend of mine & his wife in MSP. Just for the record, he's a Delta (pmNWA) 7ER pilot in MSP. He starts ranting & raving about how weak the opener was, and how vague it was, and that he actually got two more Delta (pmNWA) pilot friends of ours to fill out a card. I then asked him, if he knew that it was only a "conceptual" opener provided to the pilot group, & that the information about the opener being "conceptual" was communicated by D-ALPA. Needless to say, he wanted to hear more about the comms "he'd missed" from D-ALPA, & felt "sheepish" about his ranting & raving, not having known all the facts.

Hence my problem with (some of) the people on this board, ranting & raving about how poor a job D-ALPA has done with the "conceptual" opener, while being quite probable, that they haven't seen the comms from D-ALPA.

How about this one:

D-ALPA - We're not going to show our opener, it'd be like "showing our hand in poker".

CARL - OH MY LORD. OH MY GOD! In the 30 years I've been an airline pilot I've never seen such an atrocity! (With a few other drama-filled posts intermingled in there about Sailing & Slowplay being LIARS.)

D-ALPA - (fast forward four months) - We're opening Section 6 early due to some perceived benefits for the pilot group. Here is your opener, conceptual in nature.

DO I NEED TO CONTINUE CARL? Is your thick cranium starting to understand? (You must be Norwegian?)

You, of all people Carl, shouldn't be the one making "speculative based" arguments about D-ALPA communication.

Huh, that's too bad. How many times have the donuts pushed to the right their expectations of a vote? Twice.


Not insulting anyone Carl. Quit being such a drama queen.

One more time Carl, because everyone had to listen to you. Your wife, assuming you're married, (highly doubtful) must be an angel to put up with someone like you, who's obviously never wrong.

GJ

P.S. Typed on my iPhone. Excuse minor "quote" errors.

Check Essential

Sounds plausible.
Management and ALPA both benefit by creating a climate of urgency.

Elvis90

If the company is in a hurried panic for an opportunity to consolidate then let's use our leverage.

forgot to bid

forgot to bid

Of all of the ads, this is the one I laugh at:



shouldn't that be on the regional forum?

forgot to bid

Padre, here is some of the stuff we've looked at before:

source: airlinepilotcentral.com



And

source: C2K and airlinepilotcentral.com