Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Yes, and your point? In my example I illustrated the anger of my friend and his opinion of the "weak opener". He had failed to read the fact that D-ALPA stated it was "broadbased and conceptual in nature."

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

What am I missing?

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Or what are you not understanding about him "not reading the Negotiator's Notepad" before going off about how weak of an opener it was?

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

That's awesome Carl!! Your words, not mine. THEY NEVER ONCE TOLD US............UNTIL THEY TOLD US! Do you read what drivel you write?

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Bacon Bits, is that you? Yes Carl, of course they were conspiring to tell you there wouldn't be an opener, all the while planning on releasing a "phony" opener to the members.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Just for the record, the communication from D-ALPA of not seeing the opener, came from the C20 Chairman, not the MEC.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

It's an important distinction in your discussion with your mythical friend. You inferred that the MEC had been telling us all along that we would be getting a "conceptual" opener.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

And that your mythical friend didn't understand this "fact", then complained about how weak the opener looked...because he didn't bother to read the MEC's long-standing warnings that the opener would be conceptual. That's simply not true.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

Quite confident I didn't, but feel free to PM me and I'll give you my personal email address and phone number. I'm also quite confident you're not man enough, just like 1S1Engine wasn't man enough to talk in person about a WN/FL debate, but you keep talking your "big game" behind a keyboard there Carl,

Originally Posted by Gearjerk

and I'll actually maintain my integrity by standing behind facts.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Well unfortunately we currently outsource most of the "SWA schedules" out of SLC and every other hub. I'd like to get a lot of that back and I'd be happy to fly it, all day, every day, if it brings more Delta pilot jobs back to Delta Air Lines.

And scope is absolute. It is what every other thing in the contract is based on. It isn't independant; everything else is dependant on it.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Never said that or even inferred that. Is lying the only way you can make a point?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Simple question: Does an LEC chairman have any function on the MEC?

Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate

I just got this from my C1 Reps - outstanding update These guys get what a union is about. They are still learning to spell it in ATL.

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Council 1 Update April 3, 2012

MEC Touch and GOs 12-03

A Touch and Gos communication entitled “Strategic Update, Contract 2012, Taking Advantage of an Opportunity” from the MEC Communications Committee was published this week. We have received more than our share of calls and e-mails from you asking some very good questions and voicing your concerns with the current process.

As your reps we agree with many of your comments when it comes to the statements on the NMB. The MEC has taken the NMB and its role in our contract into consideration. Your Council 1 reps feel that even though the NMB must be considered, it is currently premature to discuss its role in the depth it has been at this point in the process. Yes, other carriers are having their issues, and American is a good example of how not to do it. Exploiting that fact at our current position in the negotiating time line is more in line with fear-mongering, in our opinion.

Your reps, along with those from other bases, voiced concerns over this and other issues in the original draft of the Touch and Gos. The majority of the MEC apparently approved of the original draft, as the Touch and Gos went out with some of our concerns addressed, while others remained basically unchanged. Your Council 1 reps feel it is more important to convey the issue at hand, and that was simply stated in the title of the Touch and Gos: “Taking Advantage of an Opportunity.” As we live under the same contract, your reps desire the same things that you do: to increase our wages, achieve better work rules, create jobs at the mainline, and do so in a timely manner.

Many of you have asked why now, why the expedited process? The answer is Delta Air Lines wants to continue its position as the leader in the industry, and with this goal Delta is willing to open the contract and negotiate in an expedited manner. The value that Delta will gain in maintaining its continued position in the industry is the value we as pilots must share in with contractual improvements. Your MEC collectively has tasked the Negotiating Committee with achieving contractual improvements that lead the industry in the same manner as our employer, Delta Air Lines, leads the industry.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl, thanks for the concern. She is fine but shaken up. So far no fatalities in the DFW event.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Can't speak for 1S1Engine, but I barely have time to speak to people I like.Why would I waste time with anyone I do not?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Even someone as manly as you?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You are clearly one of the MEC's paid volunteers used to smear people on social media, and reduce expectations.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You do this for money...even though your success would mean far less than what your fellow pilots deserve. I cannot imagine how folks like you live with yourself. Enjoy whatever it is that you get Mr. Jerk. Maybe one day you'll find that integrity can't be bought.