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04-08-2012 | 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

There used to be a thread for this rhetoric.

Asked and answered. The mods are part of the rethoric. What do you expect the judgment to be?

Overruled.

04-08-2012 | 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

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All on one page! It's like reading (a smarter version of) Bacon's stuff.

You started out with a great question. Then you jump right into the full sales pitch with the next sentence. I'd like an answer before get all "alternative union" on this beotch.

I was trying to be implicit that I'm for positive change away from the current establishment MEC unelected types. I, like you, would prefer to not go nuclear and have change from within.

I was trying to convey that the arrogant manner that the establishment types talk down to the people they are supposed to be serving is why we're in this "alternate" drive in the first place. Logic before emotion.

04-08-2012 | 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The "facts" you and alpha posted were not facts. They were at best misinformed conjecture.

The "fact" is that you're so stuck in your ways that you can't see anything that is outside of the box.

Then dispute the facts with numbers, not rhetoric.

04-08-2012 | 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Please reread the opener on Section 1, a portion posted here:

Improve protections for domestic and international codeshare
Improve balance of flying between Delta and DCI
Change the definition of “permitted aircraft type” to include propeller and geared turbo-fan aircraft

Add new language to restrict the use of permitted and non-permitted aircraft within holding companies

Change the definition of “permitted aircraft type” to include propeller and geared turbo-fan aircraft

Allowing more efficient geared turbofan aircraft and propeller aircraft without the current seat limit doesn't seem like reeling in DCI to me.

04-08-2012 | 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I was trying to be implicit that I'm for positive change away from the current establishment MEC unelected types. I, like you, would prefer to not go nuclear and have change from within.

I was trying to convey that the arrogant manner that the establishment types talk down to the people they are supposed to be serving is why we're in this "alternate" drive in the first place. Logic before emotion.

Agreed fully on the part in bold. As for the next sentence, I agree that some come across this way. We had a rep replaced that spoke that way, all the time, even though I think his heart was actually in the right place. Took out another rep that was deemed guilty by association (so to speak).

I think any union is about 1/3 brilliant technocrats/lifers, 1/3 entrenched/self-serving technocrats, 1/3 cycling through and doing their best.

04-08-2012 | 05:20 PM

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Then dispute the facts with numbers, not rhetoric.

Alpha's numbers were quickly shown to be wrong, yet you supported him and even half way tried to argue his invalid point. Why??

04-08-2012 | 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

I'm all for a better way to run things. Show me one and convince me that it works. I'll be with you, and won't even throw rocks from the sidelines. Otherwise, I'll stick with the plan that has put more money in pilot pockets.

Ironic that someone would quote John Adams to support tyranny.

The Delta MEC supposes the Delta pilots are too stupid and uninformed to know what is best for them. For the most part, I suppose the MEC is correct.

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04-08-2012 | 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

Asked and answered. The mods are part of the rethoric. What do you expect the judgment to be?

Overruled.

I tried over and over and over again to keep the DPA/DALPA thing out of this thread, but it was rarely assisted.

I guess I'm doing things right when I'm accused by the DPA people of being biased for DALPA and vice versa by the DALPA people.

04-08-2012 | 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1

Change the definition of “permitted aircraft type” to include propeller and geared turbo-fan aircraft

Allowing more efficient geared turbofan aircraft and propeller aircraft without the current seat limit doesn't seem like reeling in DCI to me.

If the definition were changed over 50 seat aircraft like the Q400 or new generation follow-on would count against the permitted aircraft limit. Right now as long as they're under the gross weight limit they don't.

It is definitely a tightening of scope.