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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I tried over and over and over again to keep the DPA/DALPA thing out of this thread, but it was rarely assisted.

I guess I'm doing things right when I'm accused by the DPA people of being biased for DALPA and vice versa by the DALPA people.
That is funny, I agree.

I think you and the mods should talk, and I think posters ought to consider helping. I don't really see a way you can get into the crux of the discussion about what we're doing to further our goals, when it's aparent many people are only interested in who would be doing whatever we'll do.

Got a post that's mostly talking which is the best CBA? Moderate it home. It has a home, it's just temporarily lost in the L&G. Guide it home, ever so gently, and lovingly.
Old 04-08-2012 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Ironic that someone would quote John Adams to support tyranny.
Ouch! Just Ouch!

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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The lines that you bolded from the opener are what are so incredibly vague that they are of little substance.
Hopefully a sign that negotiators are considering a number of fresh approaches to the issue.

I do take them at their word that they will improve Scope. I do understand there is a lot to do there, at both ends of the gauge spectrum. I can live with a "conceptual" opener. I just want "improve" to mean "improve".

But never mind the negotiators: I'm curious about Slowplay's vision. What do you think we should do with the DCI issue, Slowplay?
Old 04-08-2012 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Hopefully a sign that negotiators are considering a number of fresh approaches to the issue.

I do take them at their word that they will improve Scope. I do understand there is a lot to do there, at both ends of the gauge spectrum.

But never mind the negotiators: I'm curious about Slowplay's vision. What do you think we should do with the DCI issue, Slowplay?
Seconded ... yielding the floor to the Distinguished Gentleman.
Old 04-08-2012 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I tried over and over and over again to keep the DPA/DALPA thing out of this thread, but it was rarely assisted.
Hey, come on Clamp. When you asked me to stop, I stopped. I think the vast majority of us DPA supporters did so also. Other DALPA guys have recently accused us of posting DPA stuff when no such thing occurred in an attempt to shut down posts they didn't like. When they did that, it was/is the DPA guys that tell them to take it to the other thread.

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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
If the definition were changed over 50 seat aircraft like the Q400 or new generation follow-on would count against the permitted aircraft limit. Right now as long as they're under the gross weight limit they don't.

It is definitely a tightening of scope.

My perspective:

I thought the prop limit in the contract already is 76 seats. The new definition doesn't have seat limits.

Allowing geared turbofans enables newer gen aircraft at DCI, IOW it doesn't remove them...IOW not a tightening of scope, instead extending the outsourcing.

If geared turbofans were NOT permitted, that would be a tightening of scope and certainly contracts would be sunsetted in somebody's lifetime.
Old 04-08-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Hey, come on Clamp. When you asked me to stop, I stopped. I think the vast majority of us DPA supporters did so also. Other DALPA guys have recently accused us of posting DPA stuff when no such thing occurred in an attempt to shut down posts they didn't like. When they did that, it was/is the DPA guys that tell them to take it to the other thread.

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I wasn't talking about you, Carl. You were never the problem.

The other mods weren't helping me keep the DALPA/DPA stuff out of this thread (or gave up earlier), so honestly I just gave up... that is what I was talking about.
Old 04-08-2012 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Seconded ... yielding the floor to the Distinguished Gentleman.
Thirded...yielding to the obfuscating spin-meister from MECca.

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Old 04-08-2012 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I wasn't talking about you, Carl. You were never the problem.

The other mods weren't helping me keep the DALPA/DPA stuff out of this thread (or gave up earlier), so honestly I just gave up... that is what I was talking about.
Oh.

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Old 04-08-2012 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
My perspective:

I thought the prop limit in the contract already is 76 seats. The new definition doesn't have seat limits.

Allowing geared turbofans enables newer gen aircraft at DCI, IOW it doesn't remove them...IOW not a tightening of scope, instead extending the outsourcing.

If geared turbofans were NOT permitted, that would be a tightening of scope and certainly contracts would be sunsetted in somebody's lifetime.
I'm not sure if this is the case. The RAH thing has shown that if it's not in our contract that others can and will take full advantage of it.
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