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Wingnutdal 04-17-2012 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1170625)
Wow! Did he mean a reduction of another 100-150 50 seaters, or a reduction of 50 seaters to where only 100-150 remain? If its the latter, that's a lot of parked 50 seaters.

He was pretty specific about needing 100-150.

acl65pilot 04-17-2012 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1170617)
So you're in the SWA pool too?

Anyway I don't see the savings from a refinery being targeted for certain airframes. We pay the fuel anyway for the DCI carriers and it all comes to us in the over all fuel bill. The closest we could come to doing that would be to not discount fuel at certain (all RJ) stations, but I don't think it will ever become that localized. Even if it was, again, we pay the fuel bill anyway. I see the regionals benefitting from this, but only proportionate to the size of the benefit itself relative to how much fuel they use. It won't be a game changer either way from a mainline vs regional standpoint, but they will benefit from it and the savings will unfortunately help soften their CASM IMO. I can't see it happening any other way.

Turned down SWA, sorry.

My comment was aimed at dealing with the RJ issue, but first lets look at the refinery. We will see that fuel on the open market. The margin that is paid for that product will effectively zero out the crack spread that we are seeing. However you want to rationalize the books on the refinery, it will allow DAL to zero out about 1.5+ bln a year in expenses. Fuel, RJ, our restorative raises, whatever.

On the RJ issue, there are many ways to get to the end point we all want; DAL flying performed by DAL seniority listed pilots. Forcing the issue, having DAL abandon the CPA's and then pay the penalties is one. Another is a plethora of sunset type of deals where the total RJ count decreases over time, and could possibly be tail number limited. Allowing only half of the jets to be renewed under a new CPA is another. There are many more options to this issue, many of them doable, and all with the ability to pull the flying down without legal exposure to DAL.

On how the refinery helps the RJ's, yes, it could lengthen the bandwidth for DAL parking them. It also would logically take the pressure off of them trying to squeeze more large RJs out of us, and wait for the C-Series as the penalty forgiveness jet. Point is, your are right that it loosens the noose around their necks with regard to to the RJs but the effects of this will be at least a year out. DAL still at this time wants a small RJ solution. Economics are just part of it. I know I would want em gone and use the refinery profit for other things than subsidizing and airframe that cannot efficiently carry our customers.

georgetg 04-17-2012 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1170539)
...Both SLC and LAX were former Western Air Lines bases, and I'm very lucky to have flown with a bunch of former WAL CAs. Almost 100% were a total class act. Great aviators, great CAs, wonderful to fly with, what I'd call "world class guys".

Fortunately the example they set has carried over to the next generation of CAs.

+1000 agree on the WAL guys, and I couldn't have said it better.
The base culture in SLC and LAX is awesome and sets a high bar for Delta pilots everywhere. I can't say I've flown with anyone I would not want to fly with again. I strive to uphold that standard. ;-)

Cheers
George

acl65pilot 04-17-2012 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1170620)
According to Richard at the meeting today they want to get the number of 50 seaters down to 100-150 ASAP.

Yep, they want to park a ton of em. They are inefficient, costly, and do not carry the loads they need to. As ED stated, the customers hate em, and we want to find a solution to them.

I am sure they want more 70+ seaters to fill the gap, but they are also looking at the 717 or 320 series as a replacement for these jets. The negotiators will deal with this in the way we have demanded. I suspect we will see something definitive on the mainline jets shortly. On top of this DAL has gate constraint issues with the frequency model, and they need to find a way to keep the same amount of seats to a city while reducing frequency.

Boomer 04-17-2012 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1170121)


Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot (Post 1170125)
The airplane was sent to a remote corner of the runway, huh? Must have been one helluva long and wide runway.

"Let's park over there on those yellow chevrons by the beach. We can run up the engines to chase off the onlookers, in case the bomb is real..."

FrankCobretti 04-17-2012 09:15 AM

I've never called for the hotel van in my life. I didn't even know that was a thing that we do.

Regarding the walkaround, 9/10 NY captains do their share. I don't get bent out of shape if the occasional guy is have a "bad knee day." Exercise is good.

Bucking Bar 04-17-2012 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1170620)
According to Richard at the meeting today they want to get te number of 50 seaters down to 100-150 ASAP.

That meeting was today ... I nearly forgot. OOOHHH lemme throw some popcorn in the Soup Nuker.

Bucking Bar 04-17-2012 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1170594)
I think one can be "mature, thoughtful and professional" and also not particularly generous...

The typical former WAL Captains I flew with seemed much more "laid back" than the typical Atlanta "RDs" I flew with. The ATL guys seemed to get wrapped around the axle about relatively trivial stuff, whereas the SLC guys seemed to do a much better job of focusing on the big picture. Over the course of a rotation there was significantly less drama.

Those are just my observations over approximately seven years tenure in both bases.

My theory is the emphasis on punctuation in the Flight Operations Manual can be accurately predicted on a linear graph based on distance from the General Offices.

To test this theory ... along Virginia Ave, you'll hear debates on whether that's a comma, or a semi-colon in paragraph four on page 392. In Anchorage the same discussion would go something like "Is that in the FOM? ... What's an FOM?"*

SLC is in the middle, which is probably a good place to be.

* picking on a non existent base far from Atlanta, intentionally. (wish it was still there)

Bucking Bar 04-17-2012 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1170632)
He was pretty specific about needing 100-150.

That number has been going around.

Any news on narrow body jets, other than 50 seaters?

acl65pilot 04-17-2012 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1170671)
That number has been going around.

Any news on narrow body jets, other than 50 seaters?

There are rumors running rampant that they have chosen an airframe. We shall see.


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