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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1170633)
My comment was aimed at dealing with the RJ issue, but first lets look at the refinery. We will see that fuel on the open market. The margin that is paid for that product will effectively zero out the crack spread that we are seeing. However you want to rationalize the books on the refinery, it will allow DAL to zero out about 1.5+ bln a year in expenses. Fuel, RJ, our restorative raises, whatever.
On the RJ issue, there are many ways to get to the end point we all want; DAL flying performed by DAL seniority listed pilots. Forcing the issue, having DAL abandon the CPA's and then pay the penalties is one. Another is a plethora of sunset type of deals where the total RJ count decreases over time, and could possibly be tail number limited. Allowing only half of the jets to be renewed under a new CPA is another. There are many more options to this issue, many of them doable, and all with the ability to pull the flying down without legal exposure to DAL. On how the refinery helps the RJ's, yes, it could lengthen the bandwidth for DAL parking them. It also would logically take the pressure off of them trying to squeeze more large RJs out of us, and wait for the C-Series as the penalty forgiveness jet. Point is, your are right that it loosens the noose around their necks with regard to to the RJs but the effects of this will be at least a year out. DAL still at this time wants a small RJ solution. Economics are just part of it. I know I would want em gone and use the refinery profit for other things than subsidizing and airframe that cannot efficiently carry our customers. As for the bolded part, there are very little "penalties" to Delta with getting out of the RJ contracts other than having to continue to pay the leases they are already paying. What concerns me more than that are the "legal exposure" to DALPA/ALPA from doing something on our end to "harm" the ALPA RJ pilots. Apparently we can sit back and let the entire profession get hammered and that's cool but if we try and bring things up on our end someone's gonna sue. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1170778)
Deadhead, very true. We have contract talks going on, no need for junior v senior stuff.
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
(Post 1170737)
Why would you get bent out of shape with the 1/10 captains who don't "do their share"?
Can you elaborate as to the standard quota of walk arounds that constitute a "share"? This thread is starting to turn into a first officer entitlement gripe fest--when it's not operating as the commuting pilot gripe fest. It seems indicative of the people we have hired since 9/11. I'm game. Can I tell my stories of F/Os who show up 20 minutes prior to push on leg #1, and the first words out of their mouth are "did you do the walk around?", or perhaps those who miss a crossing restriction and then blame the "piece of ___ airplane", or the ones who can't listen to the radios on a consistent basis--as they are busy griping about their job, or the ones who cannot put together a decent descent profile--which again is the airplane's fault. Just trying to keep it real guys. If you ain't getting your walk around or layover love, maybe you should look in the mirror, or just keep on griping anonymously--your choice. BTW, lest somebody try the red herring--I split the walk arounds regardless of weather, I buy the beer and usually the food--when I actually have a decent layover (a rarity these days), and every so often I anonymously buy a random table's dinner in the restaurant as well. Wow. Really? Wonder who those F/Os learned it from to blame the airplane for not making the restriction. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1170701)
I suspect any airframe choice will not be announced until a contract agreement. The company will want to leverage any growth airframes in the negotiations.
They will get us to bargain for a status quo or even a shrinking fleet/headcount just for fleet replacement with smaller jets. I'm actually suprised they didn't come seeking concessions for the big 737-900ER order. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1170779)
I would assume, and I think it is a safe assumption that "we" would be flying the rumored metal.
Just stirring the pot up in here. |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1170784)
This thread is starting to turn into a captain gripe fest about first officers--when it's not operating as a ..... ahhh, screw it.
Wow. Really? Wonder who those F/Os learned it from to blame the airplane for not making the restriction. I'm sure the epic mustache is just a coincidence. |
Originally Posted by brakechatter
(Post 1170737)
Can I tell my stories of F/Os who show up 20 minutes prior to push on leg #1, and the first words out of their mouth are "did you do the walk around?", or perhaps those who miss a crossing restriction and then blame the "piece of ___ airplane", --which again is the airplane's fault.
I love that trick where there is a crossing restriction with a slow down. The jet does a VNAV DES until it figures out, "whoa we're too fast" then pitches for a 4,000 FPM climb instead of levelling off. Once people figure out it does not fly like a Certified design, it flies like an MD88, then they have it nailed. I would imagine experience in soviet era equipment would be a good primer. .. a modern, push button, does what the book says it will RJ is probably the worst transition. In the absence of Tupelev time, the POS early model E120 with the pre - modified - post - modified electrical system helps prepare one for the experimental type from Long Beach. Heard the Captains blame the jet more often that I did. I so enjoyed making fun of that airplane that I'd sit and wait for it to show its personality. It's loveable, just not very bright, like Winnie the Pooh. The FMC is constantly "think, think, think..." |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1170784)
Wow. Really?
Wonder who those F/Os learned it from to blame the airplane for not making the restriction. The people I knew would understand the post-did. The people I suspected would continue to "out" themselves-also rose to the occasion. You are part of the 1%. Congrats. See you in another month or so to throw some levity onto the fire. |
Right from Richard
-choice between A-319's and 717's, deal done by next quarter,still negotiating but price is currently too high.( my take-away, 717's when all said and done) -Record year for profits, 1st qtr Rasm up 13.5 % -Hiring 2013 -ETOPS all 737-900's -Southwest not relevant in ATL until they fix problems -100 to 150 50 seaters -Have to have Regional feed, too expensive to do ourselves( don't shoot me, messenger only) -Not interested in AA, too many problems. Would love DFW and MIA hubs if available - take back Paris -expand Heathrow operation -Steady growth in Pacific -Haneda/NRT future problem, already working the issue -$ 900 million in interest this year, have to get debt down -Positive about getting deal done with contract |
True story
CRM instructor: "Captain, what would you do if your F/O shows up at the airplane 5 minutes before pushback?"
Old Captain: "If he wants to arrive so early, that's up to him." :p |
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