Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1171455)

Heyas Xray,

While I do agree with you, in AT's case, their fragmentation language included "ghost transactions" such as what you describe.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1171467)

I did 7 pallets last summer in about 4 hours with 2 helpers. It goes down really easy if you have the soil graded and prepped ahead of time, if not, better rent a roller to get it even afterwards - especially if you're kids will be running wild out there. If not, count on some twisted ankles. Btw - if it's not already pretty flat it is an art to grade with a bobcat. Make sure to leave yourself plenty of time for grading, as it makes the rest of it go smoother.

I'm sure you've done the research, but I got mine delivered by Supersod in the ATL area. Cheapest I found and it was great sod. I used Zenith Zoysia and it came back in perfect shape this spring. It makes a nice strong lawn that my circus (2 kids and 2 energetic bird dogs) haven't been able to destroy yet.

One final tip: make sure you don't lay it all out in straight lines. Try to vary your pattern up a little bit or you will end up with gaps (no matter how close you lay it) ie don't lay all the strips parallel to one another. It will look much nicer when you're done. Nothing like the satisfaction of saving a few grand and being able to say you did it yourself.

Now back to your regularly scheduled L&G rumormill :D

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1171488)

First of all, I doubt their language is tight enough to force Boeing to force the next lessor to take AT pilots with the aircraft. Second, the 717s will be replaced, maybe not on a 1 for 1 basis, but there is no way SW gets rid of that much capacity without a replacement. Last, I don't see any possibility that someone takes those aircraft if it means the pilots come with them. Boeing and Southwest know that.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1171488)

First of all, I doubt their language is tight enough to force Boeing to force the next lessor to take AT pilots with the aircraft. Second, the 717s will be replaced, maybe not on a 1 for 1 basis, but there is no way SW gets rid of that much capacity without a replacement. Last, I don't see any possibility that someone takes those aircraft if it means the pilots come with them. Boeing and Southwest know that.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1171485)

The deal has to be right for the 717s to come over... and the cost is too high right now. "Assumption" of those leases will come at a cost (and not to Delta) watch how it unfolds....

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1171474)

Correct.. if.... Iwo is available. if not.. I believe it IS an ETOPS flight. I do not have my notes in front of me, but I believe this is the case..

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1171488)

First of all, I doubt their language is tight enough to force Boeing to force the next lessor to take AT pilots with the aircraft. Second, the 717s will be replaced, maybe not on a 1 for 1 basis, but there is no way SW gets rid of that much capacity without a replacement. Last, I don't see any possibility that someone takes those aircraft if it means the pilots come with them. Boeing and Southwest know that.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1171485)

The deal has to be right for the 717s to come over... and the cost is too high right now. "Assumption" of those leases will come at a cost (and not to Delta) watch how it unfolds....

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1171428)

I tried that, but to pay someone 3K bucks to lay sod is just insane. I can get the whole thing done in two days, or about 20 hrs of work. Plus, it will keep me off of here. :eek: