SailorJerry

With all due respect...

When will people stop making that argument as if it means somethin? What I wish for myself (where reserve is NOT a choice) I wish for the top 777A and 747A. And I'm pretty sure guys who have been around that long wish for me what they wish for themselves. It's the other 11,950 pilots I worry about who have your mentality, sir.

Wingnutdal

Why? Again, we don't know the details of these agreements. You guys are going nuts over bullet points that have no detail.

Everyone goes nuts over the company being able to fly reserves to 97 hours, but it turns out that they need your permission. Not much of a change from now where you can yellow slip past ALV.

How about having the ability to for the company to assign 1more short call a month for up to 10 hours more pay? How many pilots will be assigned that 7th short call in a year. How many pilots will get the extra reserve garuntee?

I hate short call. I HATE it. And I live in base. But let's keep our heads screwed on tight. There is a change coming to the rest and duty rules rules that will knock 10 hours off of it.

So, I guess what i'm trying to say is let's wait and see what the whole deal is before we state that it's a for sure no. We're going crazy over bullet points

shiznit

5.5/day min Avg calendar day for line holders will drive more staffing.

Equal pay for reserves will drive more staffing.

Any additional credit for vacation will drive more staffing.

Any additional credit for training will drive more staffing.

Any increase to vacation accrual will drive more staffing.

Why don't we all take a deep breath and wait for a full package(if we even get that far) before jumping off the "It's a concessionary contract!" cliff.....jeez!!!

johnso29

Fyi, he was being sarcastic. Hence the rolleyes.

scambo1

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hockeypilot44

None of the stuff you mention has been agreed to. The things I am talking about have been agreed to according to our negotiator's notepad. It seems the company is not agreeing to very many positive items. Ending the sick harassment program is bull. That program shouldn't be here to begin with. The company started it on its own last year. Ending the 75 percent sick pay is a win, but as I understand it is just restoring an old contract item that was stolen from us.

sinca3

Your correct it was a fat finger mistake on the phones keyboard, should have double checked before I posted. My arguement still stands though.

scambo1

Think about that.

We all want growth of course. It's a seniority system.

Do we want to have to pay for that growth?

Do we want to accept lower pay and continued lousy scope for the "promise" of growth?

None of us know with absolute certainty what the exact immediate contract driver is. Maybe some NDA signers want to think they know, but the union is not very good at seeing 3-5 years down the road. In fact, I don't think they even see that as their job. I do, but they don't IMO.

In linear order, this contract needs to focus on scope as job 1. Pay in all its forms as job 2. Workrules as job 3. The NN pretty much only hit on job 3 with a hint at job 1. The negotiators must be always mindful of what those 3 mean in a future SLI / merger.

I really don't want to throw stones, but in this case, I will toss a pebble...We have a "constructive engagement" union at a time when we NEED a progressive junkyard dog union. We have tremendous, almost unbelievable leverage right now. Let's not waste it with unacceptable results.

I have a concern that we (DALPA MEC) still thinks its our job to fix the company's shortcomings...As if they were on the board of directors.

I truly hope my concerns are misplaced and I can eat a heaping helping of crow.

johnso29

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KC10 FATboy

Not good for Russia, Putin, or Sukhoi. When you ask to descend to 6000 feet and the terrain is at 7000 feet, well, bad things happen.