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Old 05-13-2012 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I can't help but chuckle at DPA trying to scare people with this TWA lawsuit. I hope people realize how far from over it is. We aren't going to be assessed. This will be dragged through the court system for MANY more years.

Everyone does realize that in order to be assessed, ALPA members in good standing have to APPROVE the assessment via vote? So they can't just TAKE $$$ from you. The assessment has to be put to vote.
Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!!
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October 2012
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Alright Carl, I'll take a shot at this....

Let's assume the company wants to dump a lot of 50 seaters. These jets are replaced by SOME more 76 seaters and 717/319's. The net result is DCI block hours reduce moderately and ML block hours go up moderately We get ironclad language protecting us from furlough in regards to parking those extra jets, removing seats or flow down (if we choose) Finally, assume we don't cave at a later date with an LOA or concession to remove some of these key restrictions. Is this a bad deal if DCI shrinks and ML grows? Remember these 76 seaters are already at DCI. I don't think we'd be setting any precedence that could be used against us in the future.
Most of this I already discussed in the post above, but I had to red highlight this. Even the most stalwart ALPA supporters admit our Section 1 is riddled with holes. Do you remember who wrote and agreed to that language? Now you're asking those same people to write you more "ironclad language?" ALPA attorneys cannot write ironclad language...even if they knew how..

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Old 05-13-2012 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!!
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012
You might want to check the details on the DPA sensationalism on this one. They are starting to remind me of what I hate most about ALPA.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I get it Nu. I just don't see how some people expect full restoration, plus the company eating millions of dollars in penalties. It just isn't going to happen. There has to be a meet point somewhere in the middle.
I don't fly with many guys who are espousing full restoration. In fact, I cant think of more than one or two. I do fly with a majority of guys who want and expect an immediate and significant increase in pay, 401k contributions, work rule improvements, and scope reclamation. Anything short of a comprehensive offer along these lines, IMHO, will be voted down overwhelmingly.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!!
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012
That's different. I was speaking of assessments. A dues raise does NOT require a vote. It also doesn't effect Delta pilots.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I don't fly with many guys who are espousing full restoration. In fact, I cant think of more than one or two. do fly with a majority of guys who want and expect an immediate and significant increase in pay, 401k contributions, work rule improvements, and scope reclamation. Anything short of a comprehensive offer along these lines, IMHO, will be voted down overwhelmingly.
And that's what I want too Buzz. It IMO, is more realistic then restoration.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I tend to agree with you on our productivity. The training footprints for all the different fleets isn't our fault. Outside of all the multi-fleet training, I'd bet we are easily on par with WN productivity.

80 (4 aircraft schools in 5 and change years)
Yeah, but that's only because you believed FTB when he said there would be co-eds in the school.

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Old 05-13-2012 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I don't fly with many guys who are espousing full restoration. In fact, I cant think of more than one or two. I do fly with a majority of guys who want and expect an immediate and significant increase in pay, 401k contributions, work rule improvements, and scope reclamation. Anything short of a comprehensive offer along these lines, IMHO, will be voted down overwhelmingly.
Mark me in that category.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!!
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012
An article about ALPA written by the DPA. Hmmm, I'm sure that's unbiased journalism at it's finest. I'll be sure to read it as soon as I have absolutely nothing else in the world to do.
Old 05-13-2012 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's true they may not give them up, but right now we have no protections. You could drive a semi truck through the holes in our Sec 1. We need to close those. It's important to look at it all. I too am looking for a sunset clause, but I'm looking for top end protections as well.
That is correct. But we CANNOT close those holes by concessions in other areas of scope because a scope concession can NEVER be gotten back through a job action by us.

It is critical that we close these holes, but we must do it through "bargaining credits" in other areas of the contract. At least those other areas of the contract can be fought over some day...Scope cannot be.

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