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11-04-2013 | 02:22 PM
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One of my best friends is an Atlas 400 CAPT. He likes the job but says every pilot is pretty much on reserve. He claims all the lines are always changed and lineholders really have no idea where they will be flying.
Sounds kind of exciting, but is it true or is he exaggerating?
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Sounds kind of exciting, but is it true or is he exaggerating?
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11-04-2013 | 02:31 PM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
Yet his statement was pretty ignorant and painting with a broad brush. It could have applied a while ago, but not now. Just like OTHER places that wouldn't be considered many people's "first pick" historically but in a post 9/11 environment became much more desirable.
Also, a "long term" guy could have very well been the SAME guys that stayed at other places that WEREN'T a legacy or the highest paying LCC. The pay ended up being good (enough), the QOL was workable, they have a spouse that has a decent income, they can supplement their income with a mil retirement check and/or run a business on the side, whatever. Careful making such judgments of people.
Not sure on K4, but I wouldn't say that about Atlas. Since around late 2010 they hire about 25-35% on average of the people that make it though the multi-phase process. And just like a legacy, those backgrounds can be VERY comprehensive, as well as made up of some very experienced guys that aren't these "damaged goods" you speak of. And just like a legacy, they hire from a broad range of backgrounds. It's been demonstrated, NOBODY seems to have a monopoly or a leg up on what their "perfect candidate" is.
And I'm sure SOMEBODY will make a sarcastic joke, but there's more than one former AF1 pilot at Atlas. But I'm sure those guys have "issues" (sarcasm).
Also, a "long term" guy could have very well been the SAME guys that stayed at other places that WEREN'T a legacy or the highest paying LCC. The pay ended up being good (enough), the QOL was workable, they have a spouse that has a decent income, they can supplement their income with a mil retirement check and/or run a business on the side, whatever. Careful making such judgments of people.
Not sure on K4, but I wouldn't say that about Atlas. Since around late 2010 they hire about 25-35% on average of the people that make it though the multi-phase process. And just like a legacy, those backgrounds can be VERY comprehensive, as well as made up of some very experienced guys that aren't these "damaged goods" you speak of. And just like a legacy, they hire from a broad range of backgrounds. It's been demonstrated, NOBODY seems to have a monopoly or a leg up on what their "perfect candidate" is.
And I'm sure SOMEBODY will make a sarcastic joke, but there's more than one former AF1 pilot at Atlas. But I'm sure those guys have "issues" (sarcasm).
If you know an AF1 guy that flies for Atlas, I'd be curious as to just who that is. I worked with those guys for years and know most of them.
11-04-2013 | 03:07 PM
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Uggggh, thread drift........
So far, I'll rate you as "fair" at pulling a foot out of a mouth. And sorry to break it to you, K4 was getting the similar/same as far as the applicant stack and background/quals/resumes. And as weird as it sounds, OMNI was getting longer and longer lines at the job fairs not too long ago. But then again, DAL/SWA/AA/USAir WASN'T EVEN HIRING.
Scheduled air carrier vs. on demand/global charter/ad-hoc/ACMI carrier. Apples vs. oranges. The patterns can change last minute ALL THE TIME to suit the "needs of the customer". But if one is a high MX princess and needs all sorts of scheduled structure in their life, it's not their kind of place.
One of the reasons that heavy/mil/AMC guys deal with it well, as well as some of the regional guys that came from one where stuff changed ALL THE TIME.
Really now? Different strokes for different folks......
But OK, fair enough. But what exactly are the "issues" of the guys flying at an ACMI carrier? Lot's of them have done scheduled flying in previous lives so the points you were trying to make aren't that valid. You never answered my inquiry on a clarification.
Not a matter of who, more a plural. They've hired more than ONE. For all sorts of reasons, but maybe they're thinning out/retiring. Plus they have the contract to train AF1 for the government, after UAL had it for a period of time.
So, how about all them guys interviewing and getting hired in ATL
One of my best friends is an Atlas 400 CAPT. He likes the job but says every pilot is pretty much on reserve. He claims all the lines are always changed and lineholders really have no idea where they will be flying.
Sounds kind of exciting, but is it true or is he exaggerating?
Scoop
Sounds kind of exciting, but is it true or is he exaggerating?
Scoop
One of the reasons that heavy/mil/AMC guys deal with it well, as well as some of the regional guys that came from one where stuff changed ALL THE TIME.
But OK, fair enough. But what exactly are the "issues" of the guys flying at an ACMI carrier? Lot's of them have done scheduled flying in previous lives so the points you were trying to make aren't that valid. You never answered my inquiry on a clarification.
So, how about all them guys interviewing and getting hired in ATL
11-04-2013 | 03:22 PM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
Uggggh, thread drift........
So far, I'll rate you as "fair" at pulling a foot out of a mouth. And sorry to break it to you, K4 was getting the similar/same as far as the applicant stack and background/quals/resumes. And as weird as it sounds, OMNI was getting longer and longer lines at the job fairs not too long ago. But then again, DAL/SWA/AA/USAir WASN'T EVEN HIRING.
Scheduled air carrier vs. on demand/global charter/ad-hoc/ACMI carrier. Apples vs. oranges. The patterns can change last minute ALL THE TIME to suit the "needs of the customer". But if one is a high MX princess and needs all sorts of scheduled structure in their life, it's not their kind of place.
One of the reasons that heavy/mil/AMC guys deal with it well, as well as some of the regional guys that came from one where stuff changed ALL THE TIME.
Really now? Different strokes for different folks......
But OK, fair enough. But what exactly are the "issues" of the guys flying at an ACMI carrier? Lot's of them have done scheduled flying in previous lives so the points you were trying to make aren't that valid. You never answered my inquiry on a clarification.
Not a matter of who, more a plural. They've hired more than ONE. For all sorts of reasons, but maybe they're thinning out/retiring. Plus they have the contract to train AF1 for the government, after UAL had it for a period of time.
So, how about all them guys interviewing and getting hired in ATL
So far, I'll rate you as "fair" at pulling a foot out of a mouth. And sorry to break it to you, K4 was getting the similar/same as far as the applicant stack and background/quals/resumes. And as weird as it sounds, OMNI was getting longer and longer lines at the job fairs not too long ago. But then again, DAL/SWA/AA/USAir WASN'T EVEN HIRING.
Scheduled air carrier vs. on demand/global charter/ad-hoc/ACMI carrier. Apples vs. oranges. The patterns can change last minute ALL THE TIME to suit the "needs of the customer". But if one is a high MX princess and needs all sorts of scheduled structure in their life, it's not their kind of place.
One of the reasons that heavy/mil/AMC guys deal with it well, as well as some of the regional guys that came from one where stuff changed ALL THE TIME.
Really now? Different strokes for different folks......
But OK, fair enough. But what exactly are the "issues" of the guys flying at an ACMI carrier? Lot's of them have done scheduled flying in previous lives so the points you were trying to make aren't that valid. You never answered my inquiry on a clarification.
Not a matter of who, more a plural. They've hired more than ONE. For all sorts of reasons, but maybe they're thinning out/retiring. Plus they have the contract to train AF1 for the government, after UAL had it for a period of time.
So, how about all them guys interviewing and getting hired in ATL
11-04-2013 | 03:25 PM
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Didn't ruffle my feathers. I simply asked you for a clarification, you never provided one till chided 
Sorry, but you for someone that I respect and is 99.9999% of time well spoken (written), you could have done a better job.
Is is the interwebs afterall, AND APC. Show a thread that doesn't stray......
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11-04-2013 | 03:30 PM
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It wasn't an ignorant statement and you completely missed the point of the post. It may have been painting with a broad brush, I'll grant you that. I know guys flying for Kalitta, Atlas and Southern Air. To a man, they'd kill to get a job at a legacy.
If you know an AF1 guy that flies for Atlas, I'd be curious as to just who that is. I worked with those guys for years and know most of them.
If you know an AF1 guy that flies for Atlas, I'd be curious as to just who that is. I worked with those guys for years and know most of them.
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11-04-2013 | 03:57 PM
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Mr. Rolleyes, keep in mind the irony in you posting this (in this thread, a thread your started) a few short months ago:
Now boys and girls, let's move on and talk about the thread topic and take the drift to PM.
Now boys and girls, let's move on and talk about the thread topic and take the drift to PM.
11-04-2013 | 04:01 PM
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