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03-16-2014, 01:04 PM
#3431
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
Originally Posted by MoonShot
I'm almost certain they changed this a few years back. For those under 40, the 1st class is good as a 1st class for 12 months.
Regardless of the above, go get a new medical if that is what they say is holding up further consideration...
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03-16-2014, 01:18 PM
#3432
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Retired AF/A320 FO
Posts: 326
One data point for the fix it email folks. A friend got two in Nov and he replied to both with some adjustments but heard nothing. We reviewed his app last week and I found some small gaps in his employment (put everything since HS with zero gaps). Also had him erase his ATP written date and just mark yes for current since he had his ATP license/date on the other part of the application. Whatever we did, he got the invite the next day. If you're still waiting might be worth having an extra set of eyes on your application.
03-16-2014, 01:24 PM
#3433
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,890
Originally Posted by gr8vu
One data point for the fix it email folks. A friend got two in Nov and he replied to both with some adjustments but heard nothing. We reviewed his app last week and I found some small gaps in his employment (put everything since HS with zero gaps). Also had him erase his ATP written date and just mark yes for current since he had his ATP license/date on the other part of the application. Whatever we did, he got the invite the next day. If you're still waiting might be worth having an extra set of eyes on your application.
I have a small gap between working while in high school and beginning college and a new job. The gap is explained under the "unemployment" section. Are you saying I should eliminate that gap?
03-16-2014, 02:45 PM
#3434
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: 73N FO
Posts: 179
So if you work summer jobs during your college summers, you will inherently have gaps between jobs....I guess that needs to be explained under the "unemployment section"?
Additionally, the requirement to include "extended TDYs" nested within PCS locations marked as periods of employment make for some interesting overlap.
Additionally, the requirement to include "extended TDYs" nested within PCS locations marked as periods of employment make for some interesting overlap.
Last edited by Jetnfast; 03-16-2014 at 03:00 PM.
03-16-2014, 03:28 PM
#3435
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by charleyvarrick
I just got a "fix it" e-mail today, but it has me scratching my head.
It states "the date entered for your FAA First Class Medical Certificate indicates that it is no longer valid. Please take appropriate action to correct this situation so that we may continue to review your application."
My medical was issued in 6/13. I was 39 when I received the medical, so it is good for 12 calendar months (until 6/14). Turned 40 last month. I can only think that the Delta system dinged me because it thinks since I'm 40 I needed a new medical every six months--which will not be the case until my next medical is issued in 6/14.
I e-mailed airline apps to see what they suggest for my "correction." But I thought I'd post on this board to see if anyone else has encountered this issue and has recommendations on how to resolve it.
It states "the date entered for your FAA First Class Medical Certificate indicates that it is no longer valid. Please take appropriate action to correct this situation so that we may continue to review your application."
My medical was issued in 6/13. I was 39 when I received the medical, so it is good for 12 calendar months (until 6/14). Turned 40 last month. I can only think that the Delta system dinged me because it thinks since I'm 40 I needed a new medical every six months--which will not be the case until my next medical is issued in 6/14.
I e-mailed airline apps to see what they suggest for my "correction." But I thought I'd post on this board to see if anyone else has encountered this issue and has recommendations on how to resolve it.
03-16-2014, 07:30 PM
#3436
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: At JBLU
Posts: 337
Originally Posted by gloopy
Get a fresh medical and reply that you've updated. That's my 2 cents. Your app likely got pinged but it flagged it for that little technicality. You could sqwak about the technicality, or you could spend 1/4 the cost of a medical one time, fix the issue for good and potentially be hundreds of numbers ahead of yourself for the rest of your career.
I think you should stand on principle and refuse to get another medical.
Send them an email quoting the regs. Stand your ground...
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03-16-2014, 09:06 PM
#3437
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 100
Originally Posted by Jetnfast
So if you work summer jobs during your college summers, you will inherently have gaps between jobs....I guess that needs to be explained under the "unemployment section"?
Additionally, the requirement to include "extended TDYs" nested within PCS locations marked as periods of employment make for some interesting overlap.
Additionally, the requirement to include "extended TDYs" nested within PCS locations marked as periods of employment make for some interesting overlap.
03-17-2014, 05:25 AM
#3438
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 70
For what it's worth...
I am a 20-year military guy. I did not include any work prior to my military experience on my app. I briefly covered it in the interview when they asked, but they really want to hear about the work that is applicable to this job. I included extended TDYs if they were training events, such as a requal TX class. If it was "just" a 5 month TDY to the desert with my squadron, I did not break it out separately.
I was in the second half of the year for my medical (over 40, so it was still ok to fly as an FO but reverts to a Class II), so I went a got a fresh medical just prior to my interview to ensure they would see it as a Class I and there would be no questions. Do what you can to close all loopholes.
Also, I recommend typing up a cover letter for your logbook if it's a mishmash of military, civilian, and whatever...explain how you came up with the numbers that the military doesn't track...explain how you took average sortie duration and applied that to this category, etc. They had no questions about my logbooks in the interview.
I am a 20-year military guy. I did not include any work prior to my military experience on my app. I briefly covered it in the interview when they asked, but they really want to hear about the work that is applicable to this job. I included extended TDYs if they were training events, such as a requal TX class. If it was "just" a 5 month TDY to the desert with my squadron, I did not break it out separately.
I was in the second half of the year for my medical (over 40, so it was still ok to fly as an FO but reverts to a Class II), so I went a got a fresh medical just prior to my interview to ensure they would see it as a Class I and there would be no questions. Do what you can to close all loopholes.
Also, I recommend typing up a cover letter for your logbook if it's a mishmash of military, civilian, and whatever...explain how you came up with the numbers that the military doesn't track...explain how you took average sortie duration and applied that to this category, etc. They had no questions about my logbooks in the interview.
03-17-2014, 05:56 AM
#3439
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Retired AF/A320 FO
Posts: 326
Concur with the bookend college comments and doing PCS to PCS for mil. Some friends had deployed command jobs so I recommended to make it flow to put down the PCS job up until deployment then the deployed job then reenter the PCS job again so that the dates flow in the computer--no gaps or jobs with same dates as others.
Also I brought my several log books and whole AF flying record but never pulled them out of my bag. I turned in my 3 page AF flying history, a spreadsheet of my calculations, and a 1 page explanation on delta letterhead of how I did my calculations. No questions asked.
Also I brought my several log books and whole AF flying record but never pulled them out of my bag. I turned in my 3 page AF flying history, a spreadsheet of my calculations, and a 1 page explanation on delta letterhead of how I did my calculations. No questions asked.
03-17-2014, 06:05 AM
#3440
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,858
Originally Posted by charleyvarrick
Thanks for the replies and input.
If you are under 40 when you receive your 1st class, it is valid for 12 calendar months (even when acting as PIC). This changed a few years back, sometime around when age 65 was implemented, if my memory serves.
">General Information - Validity of Medical Certificates
First Class Medical Certificate: A first class medical certificate is valid for the remainder of the month of issue; plus
6 calendar months for operations requiring a first class medical certificate if the airman is age 40 or over on or before the date of the examination, or
12-calendar months for operations requiring a first-class medical certificate if the airman has not reached age 40 on or before the date of examination,"
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...eral/validity/
That is why I was scratching my head when I received the "fix-it" e-mail. The Delta hiring minimums state that you must have a "current FAA First Class Medical." Well, I do. It's current until 6/14.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to go out this week and get a new medical if it'll help my chances. I was curious if this had happened to others. I would be surprised if the under 40s out there are all getting two medicals a year when they only need one. But, if that is what Delta wants, I'm ready to tow the line. Just thought it might be a technical glitch. And, cheap pilot confession: my company reimburses me for my medicals, but I doubt they'll pay me to get a new one when my current one is valid another three months.
I suppose, it could be an age discriminator if they made a distinction. In other words, if they allowed the exception for under 40, they would know ballpark how old the applicant was. Just rambling now. . . .
If you are under 40 when you receive your 1st class, it is valid for 12 calendar months (even when acting as PIC). This changed a few years back, sometime around when age 65 was implemented, if my memory serves.
">General Information - Validity of Medical Certificates
First Class Medical Certificate: A first class medical certificate is valid for the remainder of the month of issue; plus
6 calendar months for operations requiring a first class medical certificate if the airman is age 40 or over on or before the date of the examination, or
12-calendar months for operations requiring a first-class medical certificate if the airman has not reached age 40 on or before the date of examination,"
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...eral/validity/
That is why I was scratching my head when I received the "fix-it" e-mail. The Delta hiring minimums state that you must have a "current FAA First Class Medical." Well, I do. It's current until 6/14.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to go out this week and get a new medical if it'll help my chances. I was curious if this had happened to others. I would be surprised if the under 40s out there are all getting two medicals a year when they only need one. But, if that is what Delta wants, I'm ready to tow the line. Just thought it might be a technical glitch. And, cheap pilot confession: my company reimburses me for my medicals, but I doubt they'll pay me to get a new one when my current one is valid another three months.
I suppose, it could be an age discriminator if they made a distinction. In other words, if they allowed the exception for under 40, they would know ballpark how old the applicant was. Just rambling now. . . .
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