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Old 08-18-2014 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper15C
Can anybody explain why the most junior 73N ATL lineholder is about the same seniority number as the most junior 717 ATL lineholder? (or is the Aug and Sep sched not typical?) Also, they say they are going to give out what 78 73Ns to new hires? Which is about the same as 717s. I guess I am not seeing how you will be stuck longer as the plug in the 73N.
I'm not looking at the results right now, but this is my SWAG.

The ATL73NB is really low on reserves right now. AUG and SEP have had a lot of flying and few reserves for that category. The 717 has been building up the category and has a lot of guys on reserve, so the junior line is much more senior in the category than what would be "normal".

The 73N has traditionally been more senior than the M88/DC9/717 because it pays more and has better trips (and better cockpit than the M88 and DC9).

I don't think that anyone will be "stuck as the plug" so long as the hiring continues, but overall, you'll likely be more junior on the 73N than the 717. The big unknown is what will the new M88/717 guys do when their 1 year seatlock is over?
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Old 08-18-2014 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Sort of. There have been some people that get to take the MMPI AGAIN (twice), then they receive the "cleared to train".
Half of our group (4 of us) had to retake the MMPI immediately after finishing it (another 90 minutes lost) since our results scored as potentially deceptive responses--which we translated as we were too positive. None of us went to the board and all were cleared to train on schedule. In my interview, the doc mentioned the re-test. I had changed some of my answers like...Are you afraid of water, are you afraid of spiders, etc. She only asked about one of the changes and didn't seem too concerned. But I still didn't have any idea if I was in the clear until I got the cleared to train 6 weeks later.
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Old 08-18-2014 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
The 73N has traditionally been more senior than the M88/DC9/717 because it pays more and has better trips (and better cockpit than the M88 and DC9).
Better avionics maybe, but the noise level is atrocious on the 737s.
There's a definite fatigue factor caused by all that racket.

The Mad Dog and the bigger Boeings are like a church sanctuary by comparison.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
The 73N has traditionally been more senior than the M88/DC9/717 because it pays more and has better trips (and better cockpit than the M88 and DC9).
Originally Posted by Check Essential
Better avionics maybe, but the noise level is atrocious on the 737s.
There's a definite fatigue factor caused by all that racket.

The Mad Dog and the bigger Boeings are like a church sanctuary by comparison.
Amen Check! The 737 is loud up front and it's a 2 hour flight deck strapped to a 7 hour gas tank.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
Amen Check! The 737 is loud up front and it's a 2 hour flight deck strapped to a 7 hour gas tank.
I can handle the noise but I couldn't handle how small it is. The Maddog cockpit is like a mansion compared the the 737. If you are over 6 feet tall 737 is not for you.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 07:06 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but....with the ssp you have to be a current captain. With them approaching the end of the Captain list for the ssp and no upgrades in sight aren't they going to be done with ssp interviews in the next few months? Combining this with the mesaba flow being over wouldn't that stop the required hiring numbers of Endeavor pilots? If someone knows for sure plz chime in.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Correct me if I am wrong but....with the ssp you have to be a current captain. With them approaching the end of the Captain list for the ssp and no upgrades in sight aren't they going to be done with ssp interviews in the next few months? Combining this with the mesaba flow being over wouldn't that stop the required hiring numbers of Endeavor pilots? If someone knows for sure plz chime in.
Correct, the Mesaba flow is done, and the SSP is a significant way through the captain list. However, there are several months of interviews possible with current captains, not including second-interviews eligible this fall. Over 100+ Endeavor captains with CJOs are waiting for class dates at Delta, so upgrades would increase the available pool for the SSP if new hires could be found to bolster the first officer ranks. As the remaining 200s are parked and staffing might stabilize, some equilibrium could be reached. The devil in the details is attrition - currently over 40 pilots a month, mostly captains.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 08:47 AM
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Tier Description?

I understand that Delta uses a "Tier" system in ranking potential candidates. Does anyone know what makes up a Tier? I've read that Delta is currently interviewing Tier 1 candidates; what are the credentials that make up Tier 1?

Also has anyone who had an interview scheduled that was canceled when hiring was suspended last time been called for an interview? I had a interview scheduled and I received an email telling me it was canceled. Anyone else in the same situation?
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Old 08-19-2014 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper15C
Can anybody explain why the most junior 73N ATL lineholder is about the same seniority number as the most junior 717 ATL lineholder? (or is the Aug and Sep sched not typical?) Also, they say they are going to give out what 78 73Ns to new hires? Which is about the same as 717s. I guess I am not seeing how you will be stuck longer as the plug in the 73N.
Reality is, it looks that way on most narrowbody seats. Seniority is about the same as most pilots have bidding for QOL over the last decade. IE No movement so be in a seat that gives you QOL over pay. All of that is about to change.

Also, equalizing the new hires on the 717, M88, 73N and about 108 to the ER, allows DAL to hire more new hires per month. If they are able to throw new hires in to more fleets at the same time. It allows more initial programs to be simultaneously occurring, thus increasing thru-put in the training pipeline.
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Old 08-19-2014 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Correct me if I am wrong but....with the ssp you have to be a current captain. With them approaching the end of the Captain list for the ssp and no upgrades in sight aren't they going to be done with ssp interviews in the next few months? Combining this with the mesaba flow being over wouldn't that stop the required hiring numbers of Endeavor pilots? If someone knows for sure plz chime in.
No,it stops the SSP pilots, but I am sure they will still be hiring pilots from there.
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