I have no clue concerning Oberon, his character, or what he is like to fly with. Having a personal interaction with particular individual can change how you view his/her comments on here. What he did post recently was a good post concerning those on the outside looking and hoping to get in. Especially for the FO's trying to find a way to get a TPIC position somewhere.

I don't think any of us don't think many of you have lost more than we can imagine losing. Hind sight is always 20/20 and the "good ol days" aren't necessarily so good in the midst of them. Just looking back, for some, they were good because all turned out ok to date. We definitely appreciate your insight from within, God knows I do cause I wan to be on the DL seniority so bad! Just from an unbiased not knowing anything about him view it was good information for many - especially- good regional fo's to consider.

 

Well that last paragraph just shot my confidence down for a hopeful invite early 2015. Guess it's all about the degree from over a decade ago. So much for all the other stuff one does to advance his/her self since. I know it is all taken into equation, but when a computer is scoring it a lot of other factors are taken out.

Thanks for posting this. It at least helps on trying to figure out where many of us stand.

Lear

 

I wouldn't give much credit to the rumors of it took you too long so we can't even interview you. I know someone very well that just got hired and it took them over six. It's a total score and there are other places you can shine and override this. They just want an explanation when you're in the interview. BTW they are hiring ssp's with no degree at all. You taking too long is not a deal killer.

Most people know this but if you are looking for something to help you out that you have a handle on, become a LCA at your regional. That goes a very long way with Delta.

 

Be careful when considering the advice of FlyCameron. I think he means well but he comes off as someone with a vast insight of the Delta hiring process. In reality, some of his coments have been misleading or blaintly wrong.

Keep the good attitude up and don't stop trying. We are going to be hiring for some time and hopefully everyone will get their shot.

 

Thanks for the post. I definitely keep trying and always will keep it up. I know one day I'll get an invite. In many other career instances I've beat the odds and hope to do so in this circumstance as well.

I appreciate the advice!
Lear

 

Thanks for this post also. Glad to hear over 6 year degree guys have gotten it. Like you mentioned, it's a lot of facts in the score.

 

Good luck to you. I would not ever get discouraged, or fail to try, just because someone heard a rumor, repeated on the internet that the speed at which you got a degree is a huge discriminator.

It doesn't really sound plausible anyway.

 

It is not my intent to lead anyone astray or wrong. If I have misspoken please correct me as I'm only looking from the outside in. I have said over and over that it is the overall picture that Delta is looking at. No one single qualifier on your app is a determination as to not to getting the interview. I was told by a guy on the interview team that because it took me 6 years to get my bachelors degree, it would cause a flag on my application. He didn't say it would disqualify my app but he did say it would be a "flag" on my app. I know a guy who does intervews for a regional airline and he rubs shoulders with Delta at these job fairs, he was told by a Delta recruiter that because he took too long to get his masters degree it was holding up his overall score to get an interview.

Please take anything I say with a grain of salt as I am only passing on information that I get and please correct me if you feel differently. In my opinion you want to try and minimize as many flags on your app as you can. I know my app has a few flags and that is more than likely making me a tier II appicant but who really knows. Delta seems to put the most weight on where you went to school, what you studied in school, how long it took you to get your degree and most importantly your gpa. If you went to Stanford and studied bio science with w 4.0 but took you 7 years, I believe they might be willing to overlook the length of time based on the other variables but what do I know?

I would do anything to get an interview at Delta and I would hope that the information I pass along might just help someone out, like myself who is on the outside looking in. I would hope my insight is not "blatantly wrong" and apologize if the information I got was that far outside the box. I will say it again and I'm pretty sure that this statement is correct "It is your entire app that gets you the interview and not any one single "flag" will keep you from getting the interview". To say that I "blatantly" am misleading you is pretty harsh! Blatantly means that I am purposefully trying to give you bad information and this couldn't be farther from the truth.

Please let me know what information you believe I "blatantly" led you astray with and I would love nothing more to be corrected should I have been given the wrong information. Please know that I am not knowingly trying to mislead anyone as the definition of blatant would so suggest. I am not a screener and I doubt anyone on here is, so to call any information blatantly misleading would infer that I or you are a screener and you or I know otherwise.

 

Well said. I couldn't agree more with this. It's the entire picture!

 

I think with this topic (years to get degrees) people tend to get easily thrown off track by out of context hyperbole. The way I understand it, there is some system of points and some system of "red flags" at work here. I'd bet that taking much longer than 5 years to get a BA/BS degree would be a red flag.

So is every traffic ticket. So is a low GPA and a million other things.

But a red flag is just a "stop and investigate" point, rarely a show stopper. It took 6 years to get a BA/BS degree? OK, let's look at why? Maybe the applicant was working full time paying their own way while saving for flight lessons while helping care for an ill elder at home. Red flag…investigated…not only a negative but maybe even a positive.

A low GPA? Maybe it was a hard degree like engineering, plus the applicant grew up in a challenging environment and barely got into college in the first place and had to work 2 jobs during. Once they graduated though, they performed really well and went on to get a Master's degree with a high GPA. Red flag…investigated…not only a negative but maybe even a positive.

Now here's a guy that partied on daddy's money for 6 years while not working, barely graduated with a 2.0 in feelings, was always one ticket away from losing his license and only built flight time flying a new twin engine plane around for a couple years his parent's got him for his birthday. Then he goes to a regional but bypasses upgrade for years by choice (believe me, all airlines know when this is the case) takes a year long LOA to backpack around Europe to discover himself just because he's lazy while doing nothing to set himself apart and giving nothing back to the community. Numerous red flags…evaluated…thanks but no thanks.

I don't think very many red flags will exclude an applicant. In fact, in some cases they can end up being positives. Red flag doesn't mean no. It just means let's look into this and see what's up.