DAL Poolie Info
08-30-2015 | 11:23 AM
#4831
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I'm still a believer in the thinking that they were expecting the TA to reduce immediate hiring needs. If that is true then it's not a stretch to suggest they are waiting for the results of TA 2 before they unleash the pool. Personally, I think it's foolish to create such a large pool with other carriers hiring as much or more as us. We are taking a big risk of losing a good portion of the poolies if they are willing to take the first class date they get. My money says they aren't sitting around only for Delta. Some will but not all.
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08-30-2015 | 11:33 AM
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Had the TA passed they were going to need an additional 370 pilots between now and DEC of 16. An additional 300 pilots were planned for 17. The E190's were going to come very fast and they needed to front load the current new hire categories to they allow for pilots bidding up while filling the E190 slots when training started in the spring. They also had to factor in shifting 717 time back East. That is all off the table for now. RA has also stated that when we return to the table it will be under a traditional section six process so they appear to be in no hurry.
Understood, however, every instructor I spoke with before the TA vote said they were being told it would result in fewer new hires. How do you explain the increase in TLV? The efficiencies gained from that plus the changes to LCA trip withholding would have most likely offset the extra pilots needed for the 190. The 300 needed for the 717s were already known before the TA vote because there was no increase in that fleet due to the TA, no? I find it hard to believe that wasn't a known quantity already.
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08-30-2015 | 11:37 AM
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Understood, however, every instructor I spoke with before the TA vote said they were being told it would result in fewer new hires. How do you explain the increase in TLV? The efficiencies gained from that plus the changes to LCA trip withholding would have most likely offset the extra pilots needed for the 190. The 300 needed for the 717s were already known before the TA vote because there was no increase in that fleet due to the TA, no? I find it hard to believe that wasn't a known quantity already.
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08-30-2015 | 11:44 AM
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Understood, however, every instructor I spoke with before the TA vote said they were being told it would result in fewer new hires. How do you explain the increase in TLV? The efficiencies gained from that plus the changes to LCA trip withholding would have most likely offset the extra pilots needed for the 190. The 300 needed for the 717s were already known before the TA vote because there was no increase in that fleet due to the TA, no? I find it hard to believe that wasn't a known quantity already.
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08-30-2015 | 11:59 AM
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The additional 300 pilots in 17 were for the 190 also. The need to front load bodies was in part to move 717 time. TLV is not the same as ALV and has minimal impact on manning. In addition the union could pull down the TLV increase and manning formulas were unchanged. Trip drops for training would have some impact on manning but offset by additional vacation pay, training pay and new reroute rules. You can argue all day about each individual impact but the company now plans 670 fewer new hires over the next 28 months.
08-30-2015 | 12:02 PM
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The additional 300 pilots in 17 were for the 190 also. The need to front load bodies was in part to move 717 time. TLV is not the same as ALV and has minimal impact on manning. In addition the union could pull down the TLV increase and manning formulas were unchanged. Trip drops for training would have some impact on manning but offset by additional vacation pay, training pay and new reroute rules. You can argue all day about each individual impact but the company now plans 670 fewer new hires over the next 28 months.
08-30-2015 | 12:20 PM
#4837
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What happened man? I'm just as proud of working for Delta as you. Always spoke highly of Delta. But honestly dude the kool-aid you're drinking and the way that you talk about this failed contract.....Holly mackerel. Everything you say lately has a twist showing how you feel we were all wrong and look at all this great stuff we screwed up.
08-30-2015 | 12:21 PM
#4838
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Seriously dude? you think the company isn't going to get the 190's or something similar ever? And now that we have been naughty they will scrap their business plan to punish us? As soon as we start negotiations the new narrow body's will be back on the table. Predicting how many more or less new hires we need in 28 months is futile. Whatever their plan is today is subject to change tomorrow.
08-30-2015 | 02:37 PM
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08-30-2015 | 05:40 PM
#4840
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You missed the point completely.
The post was not about moving and not moving trips, it was about trying to reduce the size of the pool when there is sim time available. Now, if the 73n sim is also being underutilized then my argument would hold up for both airframes.
The post was not about moving and not moving trips, it was about trying to reduce the size of the pool when there is sim time available. Now, if the 73n sim is also being underutilized then my argument would hold up for both airframes.
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