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02-22-2016, 04:20 PM
#6651
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: C-17 IP
Posts: 143
Originally Posted by BuckF15
It depends. I was in indoc last Mar and the rumor was the ER was being phased out so many ran from it. I knew I wanted the variety in flying and liked the jet so I picked it. A year later I have no regrets. In a few years I might...who knows? In my 6 months flying after OE/TOE, I have held a line twice. I live in base so reserve doesn't bother me. I believe the last road show announced they bought a few more 757s and were also pulling some from the boneyard and would have 15-20 more flying this summer than last. Winter flying slowed down and I sat for 3 weeks at home and barely flew in Jan. Still got paid the reserve amount and had some great family time. I guess I could get displaced, but I haven't even remotely had to worry about that yet.
Bottom line: do your homework and decide based on your situation. I chose aircraft and base and have no regrets. I gave up some seniority for that, but not as much as some would think. I love my situation now and will only know if I made the right decision when I retire. Good luck!
Bottom line: do your homework and decide based on your situation. I chose aircraft and base and have no regrets. I gave up some seniority for that, but not as much as some would think. I love my situation now and will only know if I made the right decision when I retire. Good luck!
02-22-2016, 04:35 PM
#6652
Indoc! Finally....
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: New Hire
Posts: 152
I know that the contract mandates 7 (8?) days minimum in between indoc and sims, but can anyone who's been through indoc lately pipe up and say how long the wait has been running?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
02-22-2016, 04:39 PM
#6653
Moderator
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,923
Originally Posted by MikeF16
Scoop,
I appreciate this type of response, but I believe that either I did not adequately explain what I meant or you misunderstood what I wrote.
1. Nobody would claim that relatively slower movement in specific airframes in today's environment can touch the industry-wide stagnation experienced over the previous 15 years.
2. When people in this forum use the word stagnation, it's just the easiest way to compare one category to another. Nobody is comparing it to being furloughed, displaced, being stuck on a plane, domicile, or company that they didn't want to be at/on for years on-end.
3. When I am calling those people babies, it's not because they don't have legitimate grievances with the way their careers panned out, only at their hijacking of the word "stagnant". It's just a word, for a group of professional who so often claim to have such thick skin it boggles my mind the way others lose theirs over this one word.
4. Just because somebody wasn't at an airline doesn't mean they have no perspective or weren't affected by the lost decade. Somehow ~2000 hires seem to think they're the only ones whose master plan for life didn't turn out exactly as they wanted.
Hopefully this clears up my stance. Maybe it's what you thought it was all along, hopefully not.
I appreciate this type of response, but I believe that either I did not adequately explain what I meant or you misunderstood what I wrote.
1. Nobody would claim that relatively slower movement in specific airframes in today's environment can touch the industry-wide stagnation experienced over the previous 15 years.
2. When people in this forum use the word stagnation, it's just the easiest way to compare one category to another. Nobody is comparing it to being furloughed, displaced, being stuck on a plane, domicile, or company that they didn't want to be at/on for years on-end.
3. When I am calling those people babies, it's not because they don't have legitimate grievances with the way their careers panned out, only at their hijacking of the word "stagnant". It's just a word, for a group of professional who so often claim to have such thick skin it boggles my mind the way others lose theirs over this one word.
4. Just because somebody wasn't at an airline doesn't mean they have no perspective or weren't affected by the lost decade. Somehow ~2000 hires seem to think they're the only ones whose master plan for life didn't turn out exactly as they wanted.
Hopefully this clears up my stance. Maybe it's what you thought it was all along, hopefully not.
Mike,
No worries. I notice you often make very positive contributions to these threads and that post surprised me.
Lets wrap up the stagnation talk and keep this thread on topic to help our future co-workers get through the pool with as much information as possible.
Scoop
02-22-2016, 04:53 PM
#6655
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Indoctee
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by Twister
I know that the contract mandates 7 (8?) days minimum in between indoc and sims, but can anyone who's been through indoc lately pipe up and say how long the wait has been running?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
Twister . . .
19 January Indoc class guy here. Our class had guys in training in as little as 6 days and as long as 14 days. No longer.
Sort of varies by airframe. Mostly by your seniority within that airframe.
02-22-2016, 05:15 PM
#6657
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 679
Originally Posted by Twister
I know that the contract mandates 7 (8?) days minimum in between indoc and sims, but can anyone who's been through indoc lately pipe up and say how long the wait has been running?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
Also, does the wait in between indoc and sims vary by airframe or is it all generally the same?
After the 9 days of Indoc you will have the 100 series which is about 4 days in the classroom for FMS and systems review and the last day will be computer systems test (eSV - electronic systems validation).
Up next is the 200 series which is the procedure trainer (non-motion, cockpit mockup of varying realism depending on fleet). I think there were 5 lessons and the Procedure Validation.
300 series is in the full motion sim and concentrates on procedures. Starts on the runway with the engines running and you learn and practice normal and abnormal procedures (engine out, system malfunctions, rapid decompression, fires, etc.). Culminates with a Maneuvers Validation.
The 400 series is the line oriented phase where you start at the gate and conduct flights from point A to B with weather, system malfunctions, etc thrown in. The final check is the Line Oriented Evaluation.
You will then get scheduled for a 2 day observation rotation where you will watch from the jumpseat. Then comes OE (operating experience), probably 2, maybe 3 trips to get a minimum of 35 hours. When all goes well, you get signed off OE and are now a line pilot.
Once you come back after indoc, training goes pretty fast. For me, from the systems review/FMS to finishing OE was just over 6 weeks, with not much time off in between events.
02-22-2016, 08:45 PM
#6659
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by maddogmax
Just my 2 cents from an old retired guy. When you are unfortunate enough to fly with a CA who is a jerk, try to take it as a learning lesson on how not to act when you move to the left seat. Also remember, not all the jerks are in the left seat, there are some who are in the right seat. The ones that are a jerk in the left seat were probably one in the right seat. They don't include a "how to be a jerk" video when you upgrade.
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