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Old 03-05-2016 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TCPHOENIX
All 21 March invitees...

Request all PM me with your last 4 (i.e. 76xx - name not necessary, I'll just use your thread alias...). I will gather the data in an effort to publish where we can expect to sit in our Indoc class Senority.

This may help us figure out how the eventual drop might pan out and where we can expect to be selecting. For example, you may have an 83xx last 4 and think you'll have your pick but there may be 35 9xxx in front of you!

Good weekend all, and CONGRATS!! Swim complete!
Just to reiterate… I am looking for only March 21 invitees… Not April 4… But congratulations to everyone!
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Old 03-05-2016 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixc130
Is the A320 number high or normal? If I am understanding the numbers correctly, there should be many 717s and 88s in the next new hire drops as usual; with a few 320s? Yes?

I would assume some cdurrent 88 pilots may jump to the bus?
They are adding 320 numbers to man the 321 deliveries this year. Whether or not they roll down to newhires is anyone's guess. In the past, some did.
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Old 03-05-2016 | 07:41 AM
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All APR 4 invites: PM me your last 4 (34xx), and email address so that I can place us on a spreadsheet prior to class. I'll email to everyone as soon as I get some good info.


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Old 03-05-2016 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixc130
Is the A320 number high or normal? If I am understanding the numbers correctly, there should be many 717s and 88s in the next new hire drops as usual; with a few 320s? Yes?

I would assume some cdurrent 88 pilots may jump to the bus?
717 and 320 training honked on the brakes over the summer and fall. Several factors drove this. Throughput of those training lines kicked in again recently, but these jets are way understaffed. That's why the ginormous numbers in the 320.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see tons of 88 and 717 guys bid to the 320 and 737 leaving some, but few, for new hires. The 7ER had a flood of new hires assigned last winter through summer. The trailing edge of that "rat in the snake" is finally now on the line, so they are well manned...and it is now a shrinking category (the A330 is in some cases junior to the 7ER now...and the 330 is a growing category). Due to rapid growth, most guys who can move will go to growing categories and benefit from the relative movement created by the airframe growth and pilot retirement expected in the next 2 years while on their next seat lock. Food for thought.

By contract, vacancies have to be offered via AE and unfilled vacancies go to new hires. Last spring summer was weird because the early 14 hires were still in seat lock, many '10 hires wanted to remain in category but move to their base of preference and the reversal of 7ER retirements. I don't see funky dynamics this year...I see pretty massive growth (and thus relative seniority opportunities) in the 73 and 320. I think new guys should expect 88s and 717s...some will be surprised to get other opportunities mostly in NYC.

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Old 03-05-2016 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Indy
717 and 320 training honked on the brakes over the summer and fall. Several factors drove this. Throughput of those training lines kicked in again recently, but these jets are way understaffed. That's why the ginormous numbers in the 320.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see tons of 88 and 717 guys bid to the 320 and 737 leaving some, but few, for new hires. The 7ER had a flood of new hires assigned last winter through summer. The trailing edge of that "rat in the snake" is finally now on the line, so they are well manned...and it is now a shrinking category (the A330 is in some cases junior to the 7ER now...and the 330 is a growing category). Due to rapid growth, most guys who can move will go to growing categories and benefit from the relative movement created by the airframe growth and pilot retirement expected in the next 2 years while on their next seat lock. Food for thought.

By contract, vacancies have to be offered via AE and unfilled vacancies go to new hires. Last spring summer was weird because the early 14 hires were still in seat lock, many '10 hires wanted to remain in category but move to their base of preference and the reversal of 7ER retirements. I don't see funky dynamics this year...I see pretty massive growth (and thus relative seniority opportunities) in the 73 and 320. I think new guys should expect 88s and 717s...some will be surprised to get other opportunities mostly in NYC.
Well, I'd complain about you raining on our parade, but what you say makes sense. In the pecking order of things, we newbies are definitely at the bottom of the totem pole for now. Crap. Guess I'd better get used to the idea of flying something I don't really want for a while in NYC. Well, at least like a recent poster said, almost any DAL plane in any city beats almost any other flying gig.
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Old 03-05-2016 | 03:40 PM
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Been reading the last few pages on what to expect...but just in case something different happens (so you're sayin there's a chance )...If one were able to select 73N or A320, how quickly would that person be able to get to ATL?

Last few classes had some healthy numbers of 73N and 320 NY.
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Old 03-05-2016 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JackRanch
Been reading the last few pages on what to expect...but just in case something different happens (so you're sayin there's a chance )...If one were able to select 73N or A320, how quickly would that person be able to get to ATL?

Last few classes had some healthy numbers of 73N and 320 NY.
Currently the junior ATL 73N is about 5 months. Junior ATL 320 is about 14 months. The junior 717 and M88 in ATL are probably still in training.

Of course this is no way to predict the future.
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Old 03-05-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Twister
Well, I'd complain about you raining on our parade, but what you say makes sense. In the pecking order of things, we newbies are definitely at the bottom of the totem pole for now. Crap. Guess I'd better get used to the idea of flying something I don't really want for a while in NYC. Well, at least like a recent poster said, almost any DAL plane in any city beats almost any other flying gig.

My prediction is every class going forward will have a mix of 73n 320 88 and 717.


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Old 03-06-2016 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
My prediction is every class going forward will have a mix of 73n 320 88 and 717.


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According to the lakeside graphics website, it looks like once assigned a 73N, 88, or 717, your chances of getting to ATL on your first AE are good (low seniority ~12800). Since my (and others) plan is to get ATL ASAP, it looks like any of these jets are good choices. Once I get to ATL, I will be looking to bid reserve and get called as seldom as possible to maximize time at home. If that is my agenda, which of these jets will be most suitable to accomplish my objective? I am trying to rack my choices (if I get a choice!!) for the 4Apr class.

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Old 03-06-2016 | 06:36 AM
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21 March invitees... I still only have about 15 replies... If you can, please get me your (& fellow CJOs) last 4 soonest..
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