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I dislike CDOs.. But if I can do 1 CDO a week (no more flying/trips so in essence 4 CDOs a month) and get paid 90 hours a month---->Then SIGN ME UP!!!

C2015---->Work Less, Get PAID more!!!!

TEN

I forget what did a cdo pay?

gzsg	09-04-2014 09:43 AM

Each 1% in hourly rates costs approximately $20 million. The minimum hourly increase of 25% date of signing will cost $500 million.

The other gains, 5:15 per vacation and training day, increases in perdiem, Intl pay, premium pay for reroutes, etc should be a minimum of an additional $500 million.

Time to return some of the massive profits and free cash flow to the Delta pilots rather than the shareholders.

Time to recognize our contribution of concessions totaling $15 billion and counting.

Carl Spackler

09-04-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1718560)

You know what, I've come to be conclusion that DALPA releasing survey results is not a specific enough demand. After all, a "union" that misrepresented, cherry-picked, and generally obfuscated the contents of C12 with slick marketing materials and a ruthless, debate-squelching propaganda machine would surely engage in the same tactics to spin its survey results.

From now on when we demand to see the survey results, we need to caveat that with the demand that the survey be conducted--and data compiled, analyzed, and released-- by a third party vendor with an irreproachable reputation. Without any interference from DALPA.

It will cost some money. I'm fine with that. I'd rather have our dues money spent on transparency than on Dalpa's self-serving propaganda.

Sad, but true. DALPA/ALPA has lost the basic trust of most pilots. Until leadership understands that has happened, humbly acknowledges it, and vows to gain it back, unity will suffer.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

09-04-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1719354)

I didn't say he really wanted them: He said he thinks that is a method going forward to make the trip mix more desireable, and that he thinks we'll see them again.

Okay, I couldn't remember who said it and exactly what they said. But the gist of what I said is pretty close to what you said, right?

So he didn't use the word "want." But he indicated that CDO's are "a method going forward to make the trip mix more desirable and that he thinks we'll see them again." Sounds to me like my conclusion is correct even though I didn't remember verbatim what you had posted.

Carl Spackler

09-04-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1718630)

Profit sharing was not reduced 33%.

Yes it was fud.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1718630)

I am amazed there are still pilots who don't know what is in a 2 year old agreement.

For you to say what you said above shows you're (or "your" in your case:rolleyes:) the one that doesn't know what's in it. Either that or just another example of your absolutely horrible analysis capability.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1718630)

Only the portion under 2.5 billion had that reduction.

And what reduction was that? Exactly 33%.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1718630)

The actual reduction this year will probably be around 10%.

Analysis is simply not your forte fud.

Carl

Carl Spackler

09-04-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1718642)

I'm fine with it. If one isn't happy with the TA, then vote NO. Can we not hold our union accountable without the results of a contract survey?

ALPA, ALPA, YES YES YES, Goooooooooooooo ALPA!

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Carl

Carl Spackler

09-04-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1718729)

I guess that now we have officially abandoned the cost neutral argument.

It's not an argument Alfa, it's a fact. A fact that management has stated on numerous occasions. They've described the pilot contract of 2012 as Cost Neutral. I know how much that must have irritated you at the time because it unmasked what the MEC admins got for us in C2012. A contract that cost the company nothing new. Management was very proud of this feat they achieved on behalf of the shareholders...as they should have been.

Carl

TenYearsGone

09-04-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1719358)

I forget what did a cdo pay?

I think 7hours. I hate those things. I need 4 days to recoup, so my proposal is BEST:D

Week 1: CDO 2 Days, Off 5 Days
Week 2: CDO 2 Days, Off 5 Days
Week 3: CDO 2 Days, Off 5 Days
Week 4: CDO 2 Days, Off 5 Days

90 hours Credit for 8-10 hours block.:) That is equitable and provides a solution to the companies need.

TEN

Alan Shore

09-04-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1719291)

5:15 ADG will be huge - especially for the more junior Pilots who fly more of the crap trips.

Basically this single move will take the leftover crap, some of which gets unstacked in certain categories each month, and make it much more desirable.

Agreed, although I wonder if it will reduce the number of commutable trips.

TenYearsGone

09-04-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1719379)

ALPA, ALPA, YES YES YES, Goooooooooooooo ALPA!

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Carl

I actually think ALPA is the best choice and they have done a lot of good (all organizations (YES, EVERY SINGLE ONE) have greedy, corrupt politics and members). We need guys like you to help reshape and better the organization. It is a hard and tedious task and might take a long time to accomplish, but one day natural laws will "right-side" it.

TEN

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