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09-11-2014 | 02:02 PM
#1753
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: right for a long, long time
Thanks guys. I know not everyone has the desire to get involved, I'm sure I'll step back when my circumstances change someday.
At least be a "yes" to the four Leine questions.... It's good for all of us.
At least be a "yes" to the four Leine questions.... It's good for all of us.
09-11-2014 | 02:20 PM
#1754
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2014
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Additionally, there should be NOT ONE rep on this board getting paid to be on this board unless they state they are on FPL and tell us who they are. It's wrong to use dues money under such a dubious facade.
09-11-2014 | 02:51 PM
#1756
Wind the clock beoch
Joined: May 2012
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Now...the rest of the story.
This illustrates just one of our problems within DALPA. Shiznit, you were an elected rep, but were not re-elected. You were replaced by a rep that is not voting like a management puppet...which is exactly why the pilots in that base voted for him. But when this happens, DALPA makes sure they find a spot high up for you in the MEC administration. A line pilot that wants to "volunteer" on the MEC administration could not get the "volunteer" position you have shiznit. And THAT'S the problem. The pilots routinely toss out reps in favor of reps who say they won't be puppets, but those reps who are tossed simply find their way back to DALPA in admin positions. Is there any wonder why we have this utterly dysfunctional relationship between reps and the MEC administration?
As I've said many times before, our problem is not with our reps. Even though I strongly disagree with the behavior of some of them (like Nestor), they either do the will of their pilots or they won't last long. The problem is our MEC administration. Donatelli and his team are a tremendous disappointment. He's running things every bit as top-down as did Moak and O'Malley, and he's doing so with a team of shiznits. Sad.
Carl
This illustrates just one of our problems within DALPA. Shiznit, you were an elected rep, but were not re-elected. You were replaced by a rep that is not voting like a management puppet...which is exactly why the pilots in that base voted for him. But when this happens, DALPA makes sure they find a spot high up for you in the MEC administration. A line pilot that wants to "volunteer" on the MEC administration could not get the "volunteer" position you have shiznit. And THAT'S the problem. The pilots routinely toss out reps in favor of reps who say they won't be puppets, but those reps who are tossed simply find their way back to DALPA in admin positions. Is there any wonder why we have this utterly dysfunctional relationship between reps and the MEC administration?
As I've said many times before, our problem is not with our reps. Even though I strongly disagree with the behavior of some of them (like Nestor), they either do the will of their pilots or they won't last long. The problem is our MEC administration. Donatelli and his team are a tremendous disappointment. He's running things every bit as top-down as did Moak and O'Malley, and he's doing so with a team of shiznits. Sad.
Carl
09-11-2014 | 02:51 PM
#1757
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: 747-400 Captain
This line of thinking is one of the main problems with our union. If a rep is unable represent the will of the majority and instead wants to substitute his "best judgment" then that rep should do the honorable thing and step aside.
We've been down this road too many times before and it has got to stop. The shear arrogance of "I know better than you," "I know things you don't know," "we'll never see the "3" and "3", yada yada yada, has GOT TO STOP.
Absolutely they should disregard "THEIR" information and do the job they were elected to do- REPRESENT THE PILOTS. Not substitute their secret knowledge for the collective wisdom and desires of the majority.
We've been down this road too many times before and it has got to stop. The shear arrogance of "I know better than you," "I know things you don't know," "we'll never see the "3" and "3", yada yada yada, has GOT TO STOP.
Absolutely they should disregard "THEIR" information and do the job they were elected to do- REPRESENT THE PILOTS. Not substitute their secret knowledge for the collective wisdom and desires of the majority.
Until we all get this concept right, we'll continue to be disappointed in our results. We're either a representative democracy, or we're not. Right now, it is very clear that we are not.
Carl
09-11-2014 | 03:03 PM
#1758
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: 747-400 Captain
Sorry, but I disagree. I don't expect my rep to act as the puppet of the pilot group. I expect him to learn much more about the circumstances surrounding our careers and future prospects than I ever care to, and to use that knowledge to advance my career to the greatest extent possible and along the lines of my desires. To the extent that he does not meet my goals and/or expectations, I expect him either to adequately justify his actions or step aside.
That is the true essence of a representational democracy.
That is the true essence of a representational democracy.
That's NOT the true essence of a representational democracy Alan. That might be your opinion, but that's not describing a representational democracy.
You're right in that a rep needs to use his/her position to learn a lot about the issues, but that knowledge does NOT give them the right to vote however they wish. It is incumbent upon said rep to take his/her knowledge and educate the constituents and do the very best they can to persuade. If they can't persuade, they CANNOT vote against their constituents' views. Never. If they do, they're not reps.
Carl
09-11-2014 | 05:09 PM
#1760
At home on the maddog!
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Retired (mandatory age 65)
Whether you like DPA or hate DPA, I think the following chart provides some pretty good perspective:
Rates Comparison
Rates Comparison
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