Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

I don't know what "operative" means and I haven't accused you of such. What I have and am saying is that you are a product of that widely espoused "philosophy".

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

"DALPA operative" and the other terms are slang for behavior that is disturbingly clear. It is a behavior that continually looks for ways to explain away very troubling events:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

I have not accused you of that, therefore you're more than just a little confused.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

When line pilots like you, Oberon, sailingfun, alfaromeo shiznit, etc., consistently look for ways to put a benign spin on these statements, it looks very suspicious. It looks like you've been co-opted for one of any number of reasons that are typical of the Ford and Harrison anti-labor law firm. It's hard to miss it when you guys behave this way. The only question is why you do it.

I think you guys serve a valuable purpose however. Most pilots can't imagine a law firm that would target as many line pilots and union officials as possible with either promises or threats to extract the proper behavior. Co-opting a union from the inside out is their main tactic. It just doesn't make sense to attack a union head on. It's a sure loser. Controlling a union is far more efficient and effective.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Every time someone disagrees with you they become "DALPA operatives" or more recently company paid spies.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

Really poor attempt at redefinition to discredit. None of us characterize every one we disagree with this way. Not even close. It's only a handful here that are clearly driven to minimize pilot costs to Delta. You are one. Embrace who you are Oberon.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1739041)

We are absolutely up to our eyeballs in Ford and Harrison tactics here Oberon. You're behaving exactly as prescribed to ensure the minimization of pilot costs. If you don't like the characterization, stop the behavior.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1739047)

Until you have a few thousand pilots on the list junior to you, you are very naïve if you are not worried.

We were hiring just a few months prior to 9-11, and we furloughed 400 guys a few months later, which eventually became over 1000 furloughs.

Think it can't happen again? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1739058)

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

September 24, 2014 (eight days ago)

September 24, 2014 (eight days ago)

Again on September 24 I said...

...to which you replied...

...later you said...

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1739066)

Better knock on wood talking like that when only 500 from the bottom...

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1739063)

In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.

I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1739063)

In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.

I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1739069)

Dude, whoa. Ask the 1200+ guys that were furloughed after 9/11. Me included. We're just an Ebola cluster or terror attack away. You talk a lot of smack for a guy on probation.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1739069)

Dude, whoa. Ask the 1200+ guys that were furloughed after 9/11. Me included. We're just an Ebola cluster or terror attack away. You talk a lot of smack for a guy on probation.