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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Another thing to consider is the lower cost of debt servicing. It has been put out that when our company debt gets down to 5 Billion (B), from whatever ungodly number it peaked at, DAL will be saving 1B/year on interest payments. Let me say that again 1B a year!

We are currently looking at a very, very, favorable negotiating environment. Lets hope we make the most of it.

Scoop
Yup, so there is NO WAY the company can claim they just can't afford to restore us to pre LOA 46 pay rates. But they'll find a black swan or two to throw at us, no doubt. It's what they do.

Did you hear the one about the guy with the Ebola? Can you imagine?

Or how about those Isis dudes? They're a rough crowd! Can you imagine?

And what about Pay Banding?? Everyone's doing it, WE should too!

We'd better take a pay cut now and avoid the rush...
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Old 10-03-2014 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Agreed. I'm well aware that I could be furloughed and I think I've laid out the risks clearly enough. I'm just not afraid of being furloughed. I've been there before, I've stashed a few pennies away and am willing to drink a bit less Oberon to make ends meet.
Oberon,

You've kind of been there before. I know you've been furloughed from an airline job, however you have not been furloughed from a major airline job. A lot of people will not even talk to you about a job while on furlough because they KNOW you will eventually get called back and WILL leave. Not so much if furloughed from another regional airline.
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Old 10-03-2014 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Oberon,

You've kind of been there before. I know you've been furloughed from an airline job, however you have not been furloughed from a major airline job. A lot of people will not even talk to you about a job while on furlough because they KNOW you will eventually get called back and WILL leave. Not so much if furloughed from another regional airline.
Agreed. I didn't mean to be flippent about furlough. I realize it's a life changing event. My furlough was more of a life lesson than a life changing event. At the time I had nothing to lose. It taught me to prepare for the worst case scenario. I'm certainly not at the point where I could afford not to work but I'm also not in a position where I'd lose my house or cars either. My back up plan isn't flying.
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Old 10-03-2014 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No. You said I frequently referred to you as an "operative". Please show me where.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Posts 2198, 2211, 2244, and 2267.
In 2198 I'm explaining to you what others may have meant when they referred to you as an operative. In the other posts you cite, I don't use that word anywhere. You're trying to hold on to a claim even after you've been shown it's false, so I won't push this anymore. Your pride won't let you admit a mistake.

Bottom line is that for whatever your motivations, you're working hard to ensure the minimization of pilot costs to Delta. There's a lot of folks here who clearly see it too. I just hope these activities of which you are part ultimately fail.

Carl
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Old 10-03-2014 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Liar, liar, pants on fire.


It's what Carl does. That and make up things.
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Old 10-03-2014 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Let me summarize all this above. I'm not stating what "group" you're part of. You're the one doing that. I'm talking about you as an individual. As an individual, your posts are designed to ensure pilot costs are minimized. Period. You're clearly being managed by someone within DALPA or management (not that there's a difference) to post on web forums to ensure the message of minimizing pilot costs to Delta. The person who is managing you is absolutely doing the bidding of a Ford and Harrison union buster.

Hope this helps.

Carl
You are such a liar. Here is the evidence.
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Old 10-03-2014 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Delta South had 10,400 pilots on the list on 9-11-2001.

At the time of the merger with NW, DL south had about 7,300.

That's a loss of 3,100 pilot jobs.

You are smoking crack if you think it can't happen again.
Don't mean to minimize furlough risk, but how many of those 3100 jobs lost were due to the loss of flight engineer positions? I'd guess it's a pretty large portion. DC-10's, 747-200's, 727s, L-1011's...that's a lot of extra dudes.
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Old 10-03-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Oberon , If you're this much of a know it all on probation I can't imagine once you're off. Are you one of the problem children know it alls they've had trouble with in indoc?
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Old 10-03-2014 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Are you one of the problem children know it alls they've had trouble with in indoc?
I wouldn't say I'm a problem child. They were doing indoc all wrong so I told them how to do it right. They should probably be thanking me.

Seriously though, I hadn't heard of issues in indoc; do you have details?
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Old 10-03-2014 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Look folks, there's a reason DALPA won't touch the word restoration. There's a reason why guys like alfaromeo, slowplay, shiznit, tsquare, etc., won't ever use the word except to denigrate its use. There's a reason newbies like Oberon constantly state their opinions that restoration means nothing to anybody during negotiations. The reason all these various DALPA-oids hate that word is because it's so powerfully righteous. Restoration in C2K was used as an objective, a baseline, a rallying cry, and an easily understood argument to the NMB if it had come to that. Restoration worked.

When the Oberons out there continuously rant against the use of the word restoration, they're not doing so as advice to seek alternatives that would work better for us. They're doing so to desperately try to convince us to voluntarily surrender on the proven objective that would work.

Carl
There is the real world and then there is Forumlandia. In the real world, accomplishments mean something and sideline whine artists are looked at with scorn.

In Forumlandia, the sideline whiners are viewed as truly heroic while the people trudging away doing the work are viewed as weak and spineless.

I think I prefer the real world. I know you prefer Forumlandia. Easy to be a big shot in Forumlandia where don't have to take any responsibility and you can hide your fear behind bloviation.
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