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Carl Spackler , 10-02-2014 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Did someone hack your account?

No. You said I frequently referred to you as an "operative". Please show me where.

Carl

#2542

80ktsClamp , 10-02-2014 08:06 PM

Da Hudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Wow, I didn't realize we had gotten down to so few!

Oberon, you listening?

(I actually met TK once, and his predecessor, JP McL! who was the bottom guy from the 1993 furlough)

Yep! And by the time of the merger we were just into the upper 6600's.

#2543

Oberon , 10-02-2014 08:11 PM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Better knock on wood talking like that when only 500 from the bottom...

Fair enough. I've been furloughed before and I'm prepared if I'm furloughed again. Carl ran out of ideas why I'm saying what I'm saying and accused me of being afraid of furlough. Maybe I should be afraid of furlough but I'm not. In addition to the 500 pilots below me now there are 400+ pilots at Compass to ease my fall. I'm pretty handy and I'm willing to do yard work. My family won't starve.

My posts here aren't driven by fear of furlough, or being an ALPA/company/Ford & Harrison operative even though I've been accused of being each.

#2544

Scoop , 10-02-2014 08:17 PM

Super Moderator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.

I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.

Oberon does make some good points here. The current DAL is a running a lot 'leaner" than in 2000 and the Pilot group is way older. Couple that with DAL making huge $$$$ in a down economy and I do believe he is a lot safer than when Buzz and I and over 1000 of our bestest buds got an unpaid vacation.

That being said - very bad Karma to even hint at not being subject to a Furlough.

Scoop

#2545

Scoop , 10-02-2014 08:23 PM

Super Moderator

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Oberon- we're making more money right now than any airline in history. Let that sink in. How many Moaks of leverage is that worth on the standard scale?

Another thing to consider is the lower cost of debt servicing. It has been put out that when our company debt gets down to 5 Billion (B), from whatever ungodly number it peaked at, DAL will be saving 1B/year on interest payments. Let me say that again 1B a year!

We are currently looking at a very, very, favorable negotiating environment. Lets hope we make the most of it.

Scoop

#2546

Oberon , 10-02-2014 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No. You said I frequently referred to you as an "operative". Please show me where.

Carl

Posts 2198, 2211, 2244, and 2267.

#2547

80ktsClamp , 10-02-2014 08:26 PM

Da Hudge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

I believe that is measured in at least 3 Moaks of leverage via the standard formula.

Seriously though, completely agreed!

#2548

Oberon , 10-02-2014 08:31 PM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

That being said - very bad Karma to even hint at not being subject to a Furlough.

Agreed. I'm well aware that I could be furloughed and I think I've laid out the risks clearly enough. I'm just not afraid of being furloughed. I've been there before, I've stashed a few pennies away and am willing to drink a bit less Oberon to make ends meet.

#2549

Timbo , 10-02-2014 08:32 PM

Runs with scissors

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

I recall hearing the same things in 1991 and in 1999...

Karma's a beoch!

Just ask John:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWuwKgfNiDU

#2550

Timbo , 10-02-2014 08:37 PM

Runs with scissors

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

Yup, so there is NO WAY the company can claim they just can't afford to restore us to pre LOA 46 pay rates. But they'll find a black swan or two to throw at us, no doubt. It's what they do.

Did you hear the one about the guy with the Ebola? Can you imagine?

Or how about those Isis dudes? They're a rough crowd! Can you imagine?

And what about Pay Banding?? Everyone's doing it, WE should too!

We'd better take a pay cut now and avoid the rush...