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#2041
Of course I want the company to be more efficient. I don't want the company to be more efficient at my expense but I want them to be efficient.
Here's an example. I don't like going to Atlanta for training. If I didn't have to go as often I'd think that was pretty good. It also costs the company money to train me. If there was a way to train me less and pay me more I'd probably be in favor of that.
I don't really have specifics. Maybe the contract is as efficient as it can possibly be and we wouldn't be able to identify any areas the company might want to change. I think it would be good to identify company "wants" before they ask for them so we have a strategy to deal with them.
I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with the history of the contract to answer this question.
#2042
Significantly better than what we currently have. I don't really know what "historic" means in the context of a 400+ page contract. I'm more familiar with the negotiating process than the specifics of the contract.
#2043
Straight QOL, homie
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Here's another question for you: Why should we fund our own improvements when the company is making billions?
Alan Shore (a DALPA operative) also attempted to paint longer training freezes as a positive using that same (ridiculous) straw man argument. Apparently you two are the only guys on the property who think longer freezes will improve our QOL.
Again: why are we debating concessions? Why is DALPA entertaining the notion of concessions?
I think this bears repeating, as it unmasks Oberon as a proponent of self-funded improvements (see also: "cost neutral")
Last edited by Purple Drank; 09-21-2014 at 01:13 PM.
#2044
Straight QOL, homie
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Luckily for us, Mike Donatelli knows what "historic" means. After all, he promised us an "historic" contract on C15.
If you can't define "historic," perhaps you can define "really good," since you used the term here:
Last edited by Purple Drank; 09-21-2014 at 01:16 PM.
#2045
You can set a finite objective and stick with it. You might get exactly what you want. Or you might set at a level that stalls negotiations in which case you get nothing.
You do know that I'm an internet message board poster and have nothing to do with negotiations? "Guessing" is all I can do.
#2046
That's a pretty big leap. I'm advocating doing the research necessary to be prepared for the process. Nothing more, nothing less.
#2047
I feel a little gross after typing that.
Significantly better than what we currently have. I don't really know what "historic" means in the context of a 400+ page contract. I'm more familiar with the negotiating process than the specifics of the contract.
#2048
Straight QOL, homie
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asks if we would be in favor in a staffing neutral way, e.g., more vacation. This could give the pilot group fewer trips to Virginia Avenue in exchange for more vacation, saving us more negotiating dollars for $$$, while not reducing pilot staffing or requiring more work.
P.S.
Oberon: You started here on March 3rd, and you are still on probation. You've been to Delta training in Atlanta exactly once, and you already "don't like going to Atlanta for training" and think it would be good if you didn't have to go "as often."
For real?
Your credibility is officially in the ****ter.
Last edited by Purple Drank; 09-21-2014 at 02:01 PM.
#2049
You edited before I could quote you. You had written that I am a "DALPA operative" (whatever that means). My total interaction with DALPA was attending the new hire dinner and an email exchange about banking hours.
Should I expect to be called a DALPA operative every time we disagree?
Should I expect to be called a DALPA operative every time we disagree?
#2050
Runs with scissors
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Oberon, while you are wanting our company to be 'more efficient' please remember, that means less pilots. Less trips to Virginia Ave. means less pilots needed to fly the line.
That means you get furloughed much faster/easier when things go south...and they will, sooner or later.
Nothing goes up forever. There was a downturn in 1981, 1991, 2001 and...it's over due.
That means you get furloughed much faster/easier when things go south...and they will, sooner or later.
Nothing goes up forever. There was a downturn in 1981, 1991, 2001 and...it's over due.
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