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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I said I have not referred to you as an "operative". I said I don't even know what that means. You call me a liar and "prove" it by quoting a number of my posts...in which none do I accuse you of being an "operative".

Yikes.

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Did someone hack your account?
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Did someone hack your account?
No. You said I frequently referred to you as an "operative". Please show me where.

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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Wow, I didn't realize we had gotten down to so few!

Oberon, you listening?

(I actually met TK once, and his predecessor, JP McL! who was the bottom guy from the 1993 furlough)
Yep! And by the time of the merger we were just into the upper 6600's.
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Better knock on wood talking like that when only 500 from the bottom...
Fair enough. I've been furloughed before and I'm prepared if I'm furloughed again. Carl ran out of ideas why I'm saying what I'm saying and accused me of being afraid of furlough. Maybe I should be afraid of furlough but I'm not. In addition to the 500 pilots below me now there are 400+ pilots at Compass to ease my fall. I'm pretty handy and I'm willing to do yard work. My family won't starve.

My posts here aren't driven by fear of furlough, or being an ALPA/company/Ford & Harrison operative even though I've been accused of being each.
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.

I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.

Oberon does make some good points here. The current DAL is a running a lot 'leaner" than in 2000 and the Pilot group is way older. Couple that with DAL making huge $$$$ in a down economy and I do believe he is a lot safer than when Buzz and I and over 1000 of our bestest buds got an unpaid vacation.

That being said - very bad Karma to even hint at not being subject to a Furlough.

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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Oberon- we're making more money right now than any airline in history. Let that sink in. How many Moaks of leverage is that worth on the standard scale?

Another thing to consider is the lower cost of debt servicing. It has been put out that when our company debt gets down to 5 Billion (B), from whatever ungodly number it peaked at, DAL will be saving 1B/year on interest payments. Let me say that again 1B a year!

We are currently looking at a very, very, favorable negotiating environment. Lets hope we make the most of it.

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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No. You said I frequently referred to you as an "operative". Please show me where.

Carl
Posts 2198, 2211, 2244, and 2267.
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Another thing to consider is the lower cost of debt servicing. It has been put out that when our company debt gets down to 5 Billion (B), from whatever ungodly number it peaked at, DAL will be saving 1B/year on interest payments. Let me say that again 1B a year!

We are currently looking at a very, very, favorable negotiating environment. Lets hope we make the most of it.

Scoop
I believe that is measured in at least 3 Moaks of leverage via the standard formula.

Seriously though, completely agreed!
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
That being said - very bad Karma to even hint at not being subject to a Furlough.
Agreed. I'm well aware that I could be furloughed and I think I've laid out the risks clearly enough. I'm just not afraid of being furloughed. I've been there before, I've stashed a few pennies away and am willing to drink a bit less Oberon to make ends meet.
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Old 10-02-2014 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Oberon does make some good points here. The current DAL is a running a lot 'leaner" than in 2000 and the Pilot group is way older. Couple that with DAL making huge $$$$ in a down economy and I do believe he is a lot safer than when Buzz and I and over 1000 of our bestest buds got an unpaid vacation.

That being said - very bad Karma to even hint at not being subject to a Furlough.

Scoop
I recall hearing the same things in 1991 and in 1999...

Karma's a beoch!

Just ask John:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWuwKgfNiDU
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