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10-02-2014 | 06:20 PM
#2521
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From: 757/767
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
September 24, 2014 (eight days ago)
September 24, 2014 (eight days ago)
Again on September 24 I said...
...to which you replied...
...later you said...
When line pilots like you, Oberon, sailingfun, alfaromeo shiznit, etc., consistently look for ways to put a benign spin on these statements, it looks very suspicious. It looks like you've been co-opted for one of any number of reasons that are typical of the Ford and Harrison anti-labor law firm. It's hard to miss it when you guys behave this way. The only question is why you do it.
I think you guys serve a valuable purpose however. Most pilots can't imagine a law firm that would target as many line pilots and union officials as possible with either promises or threats to extract the proper behavior. Co-opting a union from the inside out is their main tactic. It just doesn't make sense to attack a union head on. It's a sure loser. Controlling a union is far more efficient and effective.
I think you guys serve a valuable purpose however. Most pilots can't imagine a law firm that would target as many line pilots and union officials as possible with either promises or threats to extract the proper behavior. Co-opting a union from the inside out is their main tactic. It just doesn't make sense to attack a union head on. It's a sure loser. Controlling a union is far more efficient and effective.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Every time someone disagrees with you they become "DALPA operatives" or more recently company paid spies.
10-02-2014 | 06:38 PM
#2522
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From: 757/767
Until you have a few thousand pilots on the list junior to you, you are very naïve if you are not worried.
We were hiring just a few months prior to 9-11, and we furloughed 400 guys a few months later, which eventually became over 1000 furloughs.
Think it can't happen again?
We were hiring just a few months prior to 9-11, and we furloughed 400 guys a few months later, which eventually became over 1000 furloughs.
Think it can't happen again?
I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.
Last edited by Oberon; 10-02-2014 at 06:40 PM. Reason: clarity
10-02-2014 | 06:44 PM
#2523
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From: 747-400 Captain
Yikes.
Carl
10-02-2014 | 06:48 PM
#2526
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From: 747-400 Captain
In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.
I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.
I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.
Until you detoxify yourself of that management spin, fear will always rule you.
Carl
10-02-2014 | 06:50 PM
#2527
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Joined: Feb 2008
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
In 2001 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2014 the majority of Delta pilots were hired between 1985 and 2001. In 2000 Delta's load factor was about 74%, today Delta's load factor is about 84%.
I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.
I have about 500 people below me right now. A lot of Delta pilots are scheduled to retire soon and continuously for the next ten years. There is not much, if any, efficiency to be gained by putting more people in airplanes. In order for me to be furloughed Delta would have to shrink significantly, which would probably be due to a worldwide depression, or drones will have to be certified. There is absolutely nothing we could do in C2015 that would affect either of those possibilities.
10-02-2014 | 06:53 PM
#2528
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Poodle Whisperer
No kidding. I'm not even comfortable at my current 2000 from the bottom... Airlines have furloughed above 18% before, and it will happen again.
10-02-2014 | 06:57 PM
#2529
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Joined: Jan 2007
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From: 5-9 block, kill removing
I thought it was just me thinking this. Age-old advice of "never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut" comes to mind.
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