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#3461
Good discussion and it's almost staying civil. Anyone care to breakdown the sick leave programs at other carriers? I know it's touchy and it was talked about here a few months ago. I know FedEx has a program where unused sick leave is deposited into the 401K at the end of the year. Seems to me it's a benefit that I have that just disappears since I rarely call in sick. I'd like it there when I need it but in my bank if I don't. Aside from the obvious we don't want people to fly sick and we don't want people abusing it, anyone have any other ideas on this?
I thought it would be helpful to list where Delta pilots lead the industry. We all know our company leads the industry in financial performance and merger effectivity, but how often do we pilots lead? Here's the list from our contract comparison as to who leads in the specified areas:
1. Scope...............Southwest
2. Pay Rates:
-----B747/777.......Delta
-----B767-4/A330..United
-----B767-300.......UPS
-----B757.............UPS
-----B737-900.......Delta
-----A320.............United
-----MD88/717......Delta
-----Per Diem........American
3. Work Rules:
-----Monthly Guarantee...UPS
-----Reserve Guarantee...UPS
-----DPA/ADG................Southwest
4. Vacation:
-----Accrual..............United
-----Pay...................FedEx
5. Training Pay.........Alaska
6. Sick Leave............Hard to tell
7. Retirement Plans...FedEx
8. Medical................Southwest
9. Long Term Disab...UPS
1. Scope...............Southwest
2. Pay Rates:
-----B747/777.......Delta
-----B767-4/A330..United
-----B767-300.......UPS
-----B757.............UPS
-----B737-900.......Delta
-----A320.............United
-----MD88/717......Delta
-----Per Diem........American
3. Work Rules:
-----Monthly Guarantee...UPS
-----Reserve Guarantee...UPS
-----DPA/ADG................Southwest
4. Vacation:
-----Accrual..............United
-----Pay...................FedEx
5. Training Pay.........Alaska
6. Sick Leave............Hard to tell
7. Retirement Plans...FedEx
8. Medical................Southwest
9. Long Term Disab...UPS
Sick leave is a tough call.
Carl
#3462
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Witnessing Carl dismantling the naysayers, operatives, and hacks who pop out of the woodwork--Tool, Rod, etc--at contract time is truly gratifiying.
Thanks for speaking up for us, Carl!
Thanks for speaking up for us, Carl!
#3463
Gets Weekends Off
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Funny you say that because my rep assures me that PS reduction isn't being discussed by anyone. Furthermore, the company didn't even whisper a mention of it when openers were exchanged.
So if what you say is true, then my reps are going to have ALOT of explaining to do.
Reducing exposure to PS, you might want to double check your talking point. I believe we are using At-Risk Compensation to rationalize concessions this week.
#3465
There are a lot of guys that I agree with, like TIMBO, JERRY, CARL, GZ##,others on the other forum like Sol, Phil etc).
I would love to see these men take over DALPA and do their thing. How can we nominate or beg these men to run?
TEN
#3466
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Absolutley no doubt the pilot group would benefit tremendously with those guys on the MEC.
Timbo, Carl, Jerry, Phil...what say you?
And how about you, Ten? You are an even-keeled guy and you value all viewpoits. Would love to see you as a rep.
#3468
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They can make all the estimates they wish, but it won't be counted by the NMB in this Section 6 process. It can't be counted because the foundation of profit sharing is future profits...which are unknowable.
Not with the NMB they won't. If it gets rolled into the overall pie, it will be because our union agrees to this concession that would never be tolerated by the NMB's costing analysis.
Completely incorrect. Pay rates and profit sharing are only connected historically. They cannot be proportional in any way when negotiating a Section 6 contract because Section 6 deals with negotiating future items.
Nobody is calling profit sharing a free lunch. Profit sharing simply has no quantifying capability in Section 6.
Carl
Not with the NMB they won't. If it gets rolled into the overall pie, it will be because our union agrees to this concession that would never be tolerated by the NMB's costing analysis.
Completely incorrect. Pay rates and profit sharing are only connected historically. They cannot be proportional in any way when negotiating a Section 6 contract because Section 6 deals with negotiating future items.
Nobody is calling profit sharing a free lunch. Profit sharing simply has no quantifying capability in Section 6.
Carl
#3469
Agree wholeheartedly. It would be tricky. And could you imagine the flack they would take from the entrenched bureaucracy. I believe one or more of these guys have run before unsuccessfully. I suspect if another **** sandwich is sent to us, it would favor their elections.
Absolutley no doubt the pilot group would benefit tremendously with those guys on the MEC.
Timbo, Carl, Jerry, Phil...what say you?
And how about you, Ten? You are an even-keeled guy and you value all viewpoits. Would love to see you as a rep.
Absolutley no doubt the pilot group would benefit tremendously with those guys on the MEC.
Timbo, Carl, Jerry, Phil...what say you?
And how about you, Ten? You are an even-keeled guy and you value all viewpoits. Would love to see you as a rep.
Carl
#3470
I don't have any experience with the NMB but you sound like you do have some experience. I see a fault in your statements because if we tell the NMB that profit sharing doesn't have any quantifiable value, won't they just tell us that we should get rid of it all? To me, I would want to place some value on it so we can keep all/some of it.
This is why it's an untenable position for management. Their only hope is to get us to voluntarily give it up. This is why we're seeing the multi-faceted drive to denigrate profit sharing in the eyes of pilots.
Carl
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