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Old 05-07-2015 | 10:52 AM
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Can someone figure out what the loss of 10% between $2.5B and $4.5B is in percentage (of our pay) terms?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Can someone figure out what the loss of 10% between $2.5B and $4.5B is in percentage (of our pay) terms?
Not a loss, but a shift of dollars to Section 3.B instead of the Section 3.I where it currently is.

10% of $2B= 200m
pilots are roughly 35% of the pool.
35% of 200m = 70m
1% of pay is around 25-27m
So 70m/27 = roughly 2.59%

Not a gain or loss... Just a move.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit

Not a gain or loss... Just a move.
so 9/6/4/4 is just eyewash. plus numerous concessions.

SSDD.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hitimefurl
That's about 25% over 3 years. We needed 18% to match American and they are two years behind us for the next contract. PS would still be 2-3 months each based on estimates using Jerry's numbers. That puts ER FO up to almost $200 an hour or so with override which was C2K Tristar pay. $230K-$260K a year with an 87 average and PS. Easy $300K plus with only a few Greenies and no busting my knots.

For the "you won't see the C2012 3/3 that would make this year around 15% I think...? I got no beef with the pay/credit compromise as long as we can make it work in PBS.

I've flown with plenty of guys that said 25% alone over three years would be okay. Especially the older ones.
Except that it's not 25%.

It's 25% - 5% (W-2 net of 10% cut of the payout $2.5-$4.5B) of profit sharing = 20%

Of that 20% the company will cut profit sharing to other employees and save the company 10%.

Thus the "cost" to the company for our "raise" is 10% more money. It's on our backs and the other employees. How clever.

Doesn't sound like they really want a deal.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Not a loss, but a shift of dollars to Section 3.B instead of the Section 3.I where it currently is.

10% of $2B= 200m
pilots are roughly 35% of the pool.
35% of 200m = 70m
1% of pay is around 25-27m
So 70m/27 = roughly 2.59%

Not a gain or loss... Just a move.
Do we credit for saving the company money when the other employees get their profit sharing cut?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
we know something's about to be aggressively, desparately sold when this clown shows up.
Off your meds much?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Except that it's not 25%.

It's 25% - 5% (W-2 net of 10% cut of the payout $2.5-$4.5B) of profit sharing = 20%

Of that 20% the company will cut profit sharing to other employees and save the company 10%.

Thus the "cost" to the company for our "raise" is 10% more money. It's on our backs and the other employees. How clever.

Doesn't sound like they really want a deal.
Good point. So it's close to 2% above American and PS is roughly the same payout as 2015 will be right?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
so 9/6/4/4 is just eyewash. plus numerous concessions.

SSDD.
no.... it's a forum rumor that has no basis in fact.

SSDD.
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
no.... it's a forum rumor that has no basis in fact.

SSDD.
Isn't that what you said the first time we heard about 4833?
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Old 05-07-2015 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Do we credit for saving the company money when the other employees get their profit sharing cut?
We'll get credit on the next earnings call.

Bastian will tell the analysts that the new pilot contract is not only self-funded, if you count the loss of profit sharing for all employees then the company will actually have lower labor costs if ALPA signs this deal.

Now that right there is some constructive engagement.
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