Details on Delta TA
05-07-2015, 04:54 PM
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Great little back and forth from May 2012 after the rumors of what was in TA2012 started:
Carl
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Over a week ago when the TA was first agreed to, I had been told the same thing by a reliable source. I posted the info and was accused by many for having an agenda and an ulterior motive.
I patiently waited hoping tweeking would occur. I emailed my reps, neither returned any form of aknowledgement.
Now I will read the TA with an open mind - once -.
If it is as disapointing as it sounds, I will vote twice. No and yes. I believe many fence sitters like myself will be voting the same way.
Again, I have always said that DALPA will meet their demise by their own hand. This folks is it. By negotiating this TA in this environment and passing it to us and saying this is the best we could do, is an insult.
Originally Posted by TheManager
Over a week ago when the TA was first agreed to, I had been told the same thing by a reliable source. I posted the info and was accused by many for having an agenda and an ulterior motive.
I patiently waited hoping tweeking would occur. I emailed my reps, neither returned any form of aknowledgement.
Now I will read the TA with an open mind - once -.
If it is as disapointing as it sounds, I will vote twice. No and yes. I believe many fence sitters like myself will be voting the same way.
Again, I have always said that DALPA will meet their demise by their own hand. This folks is it. By negotiating this TA in this environment and passing it to us and saying this is the best we could do, is an insult.
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Originally Posted by ERFlyer
My rep did get back to me and told me not to believe what I heard. I'm still waiting for the official TA to read but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy. I have always firmly supported DALPA and I never thought in reality I'd get a 45% pay raise. I am a realist. However, to take a 4% pay raise and get 2/3 of your previous profit sharing amounts to no pay raise at all. Surely it is obvious to them as well as everyone else. If when I receive the official TA it does amount to 4-8.5-3-3% with a 1/3 reduction in profit sharing then I will know that the rumors were true and the information was withheld to manage my expectations.
If these numbers are accurate I too will be voting NO for this TA. I have previously always voted YES.
Originally Posted by ERFlyer
My rep did get back to me and told me not to believe what I heard. I'm still waiting for the official TA to read but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy. I have always firmly supported DALPA and I never thought in reality I'd get a 45% pay raise. I am a realist. However, to take a 4% pay raise and get 2/3 of your previous profit sharing amounts to no pay raise at all. Surely it is obvious to them as well as everyone else. If when I receive the official TA it does amount to 4-8.5-3-3% with a 1/3 reduction in profit sharing then I will know that the rumors were true and the information was withheld to manage my expectations.
If these numbers are accurate I too will be voting NO for this TA. I have previously always voted YES.
Carl
05-07-2015, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Not a loss, but a shift of dollars to Section 3.B instead of the Section 3.I where it currently is.
10% of $2B= 200m
pilots are roughly 35% of the pool.
35% of 200m = 70m
1% of pay is around 25-27m
So 70m/27 = roughly 2.59%
Not a gain or loss... Just a move.
10% of $2B= 200m
pilots are roughly 35% of the pool.
35% of 200m = 70m
1% of pay is around 25-27m
So 70m/27 = roughly 2.59%
Not a gain or loss... Just a move.
Donutelli and the team are undoubtedly working hard to spin this as an adherence to the pilot survey. It'll be funny/sad to read it.
Carl
05-07-2015, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Interesting. So a coordinated leak from management that included some Wall Street players.
My rep (whom I trust) said this is leak is straight from the company to put negotiators on the defensive and induce some pressure to finish the deal. He assured me no deal is imminent.
My rep (whom I trust) said this is leak is straight from the company to put negotiators on the defensive and induce some pressure to finish the deal. He assured me no deal is imminent.
Carl
05-07-2015, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The "shift" is of course a self-funding. Exactly what our survey said we didn't want. The pilot survey categorically stated that profit sharing must not be touched. Both my reps and Donutelli said that's what the survey showed.
Donutelli and the team are undoubtedly working hard to spin this as an adherence to the pilot survey. It'll be funny/sad to read it.
Carl
Donutelli and the team are undoubtedly working hard to spin this as an adherence to the pilot survey. It'll be funny/sad to read it.
Carl
05-07-2015, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull
Why not just take away the "fly with LCA" option in the PBS system, and dis-allow the X day formula that lets guys on WB guarantee they'll never fly?
Then.....LEAVE MY PS ALONE!
thank you!
Then.....LEAVE MY PS ALONE!
thank you!
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