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Old 05-07-2015, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Interesting. So a coordinated leak from management that included some Wall Street players.

My rep (whom I trust) said this is leak is straight from the company to put negotiators on the defensive and induce some pressure to finish the deal. He assured me no deal is imminent.
I think all the air lines were up on lower oil prices.

That being said, this rumor is very specific and has the insiders fingerprints all over it.

It will be great news if it is just management's opener and we make gains that are vastly superior to the rumor.
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Old 05-07-2015, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
I think all the air lines were up on lower oil prices.

That being said, this rumor is very specific and has the insiders fingerprints all over it.

It will be great news if it is just management's opener and we make gains that are vastly superior to the rumor.
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr View Post
We were far from "bent over at the table" except in your peculiar world-view shared by very few others.
No Herkflyer, your particular world-view of "surrender early and avoid the rush" is shared by very few others. Most Delta pilots are against the complete appeasement you routinely espouse.

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C2012 was a good, though not great, contract.
And you stampeded to vote YES for it.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr View Post
FAR 117 negotiations were a huge win for the pilots. 5.15 ADG, and applicable to reserves was a giant improvement...or do you long for the "good ol' days" where a two day trip would pay a reserve four hours? (when I got hired 18 years ago EVERY reserve was on automatic SC at 0300 on his first on call day; "good ol' days?" I think nyet)
Very debatable. Lots of domestic pilots report much greater fatigue as a result.

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JV are "to be determined" in my book but not yet the epic fail you claim.
Ridiculous and pure denial on your part. The JV's are an unmitigated disaster to pilot jobs. We've either rapidly shrunk to the allowable minimums, or rapidly shrunk below them. Unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr View Post
The NRT block hours agreement was a realization on DALPA's part (but not yours) that the world changes and we better not keep our head in the sand and pretend that it is 1992 forever. I would rather have a percentage of flying guarantee for the entire Pacific than continue to cling to an increasingly irrelevant and outdated NRT-only agreement.
Nothing to do with clinging to history. Everything to do with shrinking immediately to the new lower minimum allowed by the new JV agreement. Exactly as many of us predicted would happen...despite the huge sales job performed by DALPA.

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Old 05-07-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
so 9/6/4/4 is just eyewash. plus numerous concessions.

SSDD.
9644, will pass with flying colors. We have too many "comfortable and agreeing" individuals at this airline.

I would like to see north of that with our PS untouched and better work-rules.

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Old 05-07-2015, 03:51 PM
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Methinks I smell another Lumberg or IAV8
Yup. DALPA has activated the old war horses and the new sleeper cells. End game is near.

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Old 05-07-2015, 03:54 PM
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Why not just take away the "fly with LCA" option in the PBS system, and dis-allow the X day formula that lets guys on WB guarantee they'll never fly?

Then.....LEAVE MY PS ALONE!

thank you!
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:59 PM
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Anyone notice that since about DEC our stock peaks around the third week of the month then dips down? Dec 30, Jan 22, Feb 24, Mar 19, Apr 24.. looks like waves, or a tide schedule.
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:01 PM
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What will it take to convince you that you're wrong?
Facts might be nice. Your problem is thinking your personal opinions are fact.

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We have the best contract of any legacy carrier.
That is demonstrably false. The Delta pilot's contract doesn't lead the industry in a single section. Not one. You can look for yourself by studying the DALPA produced contract comparison. This is yet another example of you thinking that your personal opinion is fact.

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The only carrier, including cargo , who makes more than me is FedEx.
See above. Your personal W2 compared to FedEx or anyone else does not equal a claim of working under the best contract of any legacy carrier.

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Do I want more? Absolutely.
As long as you don't have to be in conflict with management in any way.

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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull View Post
Why not just take away the "fly with LCA" option in the PBS system, and dis-allow the X day formula that lets guys on WB guarantee they'll never fly?

Then.....LEAVE MY PS ALONE!

thank you!
Why should we give up any of those?
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Piklepausepull View Post
Why not just take away the "fly with LCA" option in the PBS system, and dis-allow the X day formula that lets guys on WB guarantee they'll never fly?

Then.....LEAVE MY PS ALONE!

thank you!
They did disallow the x day formula for Dtw 777 next month.
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