Details on Delta TA
#4501
Not at all. Not sure where it was stated "must be given up", those are your words not mine. I wholly disagree with that philosophy! Profit sharing is not bad, it's quite valuable actually (as the last few years have finally shown). I expect that the value will continue to be there over the next few years.
Your second comment is rather insulting, some of us(maybe not you) have actually been on the receiving end of a Ford and Harrison campaign, it's ugly, destructive, and has hurt many families over the years. I kindly ask that you refrain from attempting to apply that description to me.
No we don't. You're confusing past value calculations with future calculations. You're wanting to monetize future profit sharing without knowing the future. It's exactly what the MEC administration has been spouting for some time now.
Carl
#4502
I'd be remiss if I didn't add that there'd have been no UAL c2k rates had they not (successfully and admirably) patterned off of the "Delta Dot."
Despite attacks on their fortitude and unionism, I'm grateful that many of the men who brought us the "Dot" and C2k are still working on our behalf.
Despite attacks on their fortitude and unionism, I'm grateful that many of the men who brought us the "Dot" and C2k are still working on our behalf.
Yup DALPA working on behalf of pilots. [face palm]
Carl
#4503
#4505
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
Confirmed through multiple sources:
- MEC approved invasive sick leave investigations
- MEC approved removing LCA trips from FO PBS options
- NC member broke down crying and threatened to quit when he received pushback from the MEC.
I can't even fathom that. One of the guys sitting at the table for us--he's supposed to be getting us the best possible deal!--is so far in the tank for the company, he started crying when he couldn't persuade an already weak MEC to agree to more concessions.
It's sickening.
- MEC approved invasive sick leave investigations
- MEC approved removing LCA trips from FO PBS options
- NC member broke down crying and threatened to quit when he received pushback from the MEC.
I can't even fathom that. One of the guys sitting at the table for us--he's supposed to be getting us the best possible deal!--is so far in the tank for the company, he started crying when he couldn't persuade an already weak MEC to agree to more concessions.
It's sickening.
Last edited by Purple Drank; 05-21-2015 at 04:31 PM.
#4506
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
D Mantooth sounds exactly like that Curly guy (hatchet man for the entrenched bureaucrats).
Last edited by Purple Drank; 05-21-2015 at 04:17 PM.
#4507
I don't think so.
ALPA has to be worried they would not survive another C2012.
2 things have to occur:
1) This contract has to be a huge gain for the pilots.
Some give and take? Sure. But a huge gain.
2) The process has to be "clean".
The permanent ALPA guys or "shadow MEC" or whatever you want to call them, can NOT be seen as having subverted the will of the pilot's elected reps or having any other undue influence on the outcome. That can't happen again.
If those 2 things do not occur I think you would see some serious, credible people step up and either start a new organization, or more likely, assume leadership of the DPA. ALPA would then be removed as the bargaining agent for the Delta pilots.
This contract is critical. For the Delta pilots AND for ALPA.
ALPA has to be worried they would not survive another C2012.
2 things have to occur:
1) This contract has to be a huge gain for the pilots.
Some give and take? Sure. But a huge gain.
2) The process has to be "clean".
The permanent ALPA guys or "shadow MEC" or whatever you want to call them, can NOT be seen as having subverted the will of the pilot's elected reps or having any other undue influence on the outcome. That can't happen again.
If those 2 things do not occur I think you would see some serious, credible people step up and either start a new organization, or more likely, assume leadership of the DPA. ALPA would then be removed as the bargaining agent for the Delta pilots.
This contract is critical. For the Delta pilots AND for ALPA.
There's a chance that a slim majority of our pilot group could vote down a TA that's ratified by the reps if it's just too insulting. That's the only weapon we have against a union that is owned by non-members.
Carl
#4508
No, acl65 was one of the most purely political hacks I'd ever seen. He was completely incapable of a straight answer. Every statement filled with escape hatches if needed for future denials.
This guy is at least direct. I'm guessing maybe the reincarnation of Bucking Bar?
Carl
This guy is at least direct. I'm guessing maybe the reincarnation of Bucking Bar?
Carl
#4509
Hey, I think I just found Donutelli's new slogan for the C2015 sales job: "LOSE LESS BY VOTING YES!"
Carl
#4510
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