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Old 05-28-2015, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rube
You made up two-thirds of that, the other third is speculation. Politics at its best.
They're popping out of the woodwork. Clearly, some cages have been rattled.

I consider this validation of the reports posted here in the last week or so.

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Old 05-28-2015, 04:08 PM
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Scambo, I asked drank and George very specific questions.

Which have not been answered. None of the council one update covers either.
It sites 'third rail' concerns. Is that the survey? Is that some simply council 1 pilots issues? What is it? We don't know because half truths,rumor and innuendo play better to angry people looking for answers and/ or hope. Look at our national elections, like American Idol!

I do know I just got this from the Union:

This document is also available on the Delta MEC website, https://dal.alpa.org. Click on True Headings graphic on the homepage.

A92715 DAL Publication Masthead True Heading 071213.jpg
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Respecting the Process

Since the beginning of this year, our MEC has been absorbed in its duty to achieve our next contract. Eight meetings to date; each one marked by voting decisions where the majority of the governing body sets the course of this union in collective bargaining. Unanimous decisions are rare, but consensus has obvious value to everyone who participates in a democracy, despite our differences on the issues.

Politics and process are two distinctly different entities. It is one thing to be on the minority side of a vote, and another to accuse the union of violating the process. This accusation was made in 2012, though the accuser did not cite the specific parts of governance that were violated, and our failure to thoroughly repudiate the false claim allowed a festering division to unnecessarily form in our ranks. The insinuation that our process has not been respected in this cycle of collective bargaining has recently appeared in the same local council communications from which it originated last time and was repeated today by another council in their communications, so we think it’s important to clear up a few things before we get to the point where we have a tentative agreement, and you have a vote to cast.

Any member may view our governing documents on the Delta MEC Secretary’s page at dal.alpa.org. These include the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws, the ALPA Administrative Manual, and the Delta MEC Policy Manual. Like the U.S. Constitution, the ALPA Constitution trumps all, the ALPA Administrative Manual outlines the organization and execution of various union functions, and the Delta MEC Policy Manual applies solely to the Delta MEC.

We invite every Delta pilot to examine these documents. A comparison of the rules and our actions will show that we have never failed in our duty to strictly observe both the governance and the process, which is the way the MEC chooses to conduct business within the confines of our governance.

At times, individual representatives disagree with the consensus, and at times their different perspectives spill into their communications to the line pilots. It is often the natural result of frustration with the issues surrounding any group effort, and a minority effort to influence the majority. However for you, the pilot, it is important to make it clear (and easily verified) that we have never violated our governance, nor the process that is determined by the consensus, or simply by the majority of the MEC. Any assertions to the contrary are not true, and have never been true with the Delta MEC.

When we arrive at a tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines, the final choice on whether or not that agreement meets with your requirements will be yours, and yours alone. No process, no theory, no government, no union, no representative, no organization and no other person can tell you how to vote. So as we wade through the issues, strictly observing our governance and using processes deemed appropriate by the MEC, please keep that in mind.





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Old 05-28-2015, 04:16 PM
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speed or quality?
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Crab legs are on me!!!
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Crab legs are on me!!!
OUCH!! 80KTS, are you going to take that from Alan?
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
OUCH!! 80KTS, are you going to take that from Alan?
Yep! Jameis is no longer FSU's problem.
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay

So with the facts, where's "politics at it's worst"? Again, shoot outside the circle, please.
If he did that, he would miss the HUGE TARGETS
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Look who showed up! Right on cue.
Yeah, no kidding. Wonder if he helped craft that last email we just all got, what a load of crap.. I have NO DOUBT about what is coming now….
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
They're popping out of the woodwork. Clearly, some cagess have been rattled.

I consider this validation of the reports posted here in the last week or so.
Non sequitur. Stick to the issue, and stop attacking the messenger. When you make it about me, it's clear that you cannot win on the terms.

To wit:

1. The negotiator resigned (he told me it was so he could spend more time with his family, and maybe, just once, actually see a soccer game). The MEC chairman cannot remove a negotiator.
2. A new negotiating chairman was NOT appointed. A new negotiator was elected.
3. Timbo's remarks about his rep are not supported by evidence, hence they are speculation.

Your move.
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor

I do know I just got this from the Union:

This document is also available on the Delta MEC website, https://dal.alpa.org. Click on True Headings graphic on the homepage.

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May 28, 2015
Who exactly is "the Union?" I did not see any signatures. Who exactly wrote this. The Council 01 update was clear we know who it came from. I have no idea who "the Union" is.

Best I can tell it is MEC insiders who have an agenda to bypass the LECs and membership desires (survey) to pass something of their choosing. The negotiating committee is not even transparent to the LECs. Why???

Oh, who is "the Union" you quote?
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