Details on Delta TA
06-25-2015, 09:13 AM
#9971
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Originally Posted by SawF16
I totally get the $$ decision. I just didnt know the 330 banded with 744/777 was even up for discussion. I thought we were all against pay banding.
Would you still be for it if the co agreed to band them, but insisted on a prorate average of the rates? Like we have 50 330s and 34 777/744, so 50x330 rate + 34x 777/744 rate divided by 84? (Fleet numbers are for example only btw.). Or just a plain average of 777 and 330 pay so that 330 pays more but 777 pays less? In either case (including the current TA) the 330 at DAL pays more than the 330 at AA.
Would you still be for it if the co agreed to band them, but insisted on a prorate average of the rates? Like we have 50 330s and 34 777/744, so 50x330 rate + 34x 777/744 rate divided by 84? (Fleet numbers are for example only btw.). Or just a plain average of 777 and 330 pay so that 330 pays more but 777 pays less? In either case (including the current TA) the 330 at DAL pays more than the 330 at AA.
06-25-2015, 09:39 AM
#9972
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Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
06-25-2015, 09:53 AM
#9973
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Does that mean the 330 guys should vote yes?
Of course it is much much better for a handful of guys to make the top rate rather than a bunch of guys making the top rate in this bizarro world in which we live.
06-25-2015, 10:44 AM
#9974
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Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
Sell this TA at all cost!
06-25-2015, 11:25 AM
#9975
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That is not correct. The 330 at delta will pay less then AMR until 1 Jan. At that point it will pay less then 1 dollar an hour more then AMR. The 330IGW and 330-900 will pay the same even though they are more capable airframes then what AMR operates.
06-25-2015, 11:58 AM
#9976
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Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
Jet Blue's response starts with "Thank You for the highlights". I'm sure MD left out some of the finer details like caving on scope, sick leave and OE pulls in his "highlights"
FedEx had "heard rumors of the details of the TA" prior to writing the congratulatory letter.
Not one of these supposed congratulatory letters is based on review or understanding of the TA. The only letter with any substance is the response from UAL. Why was that one missing?
These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.
06-25-2015, 12:06 PM
#9977
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
The letter from the SWAPA President specifically states "I have not seen the complete details of the deal"
Jet Blue's response starts with "Thank You for the highlights". I'm sure MD left out some of the finer details like caving on scope, sick leave and OE pulls in his "highlights"
FedEx had "heard rumors of the details of the TA" prior to writing the congratulatory letter.
Not one of these supposed congratulatory letters is based on review or understanding of the TA. The only letter with any substance is the response from UAL. Why was that one missing?
These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.
Jet Blue's response starts with "Thank You for the highlights". I'm sure MD left out some of the finer details like caving on scope, sick leave and OE pulls in his "highlights"
FedEx had "heard rumors of the details of the TA" prior to writing the congratulatory letter.
Not one of these supposed congratulatory letters is based on review or understanding of the TA. The only letter with any substance is the response from UAL. Why was that one missing?
These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.
06-25-2015, 01:00 PM
#9978
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm glad yall noticed this, too. I almost laughed out loud seeing it, but then realized just how pathetic it is.
This tells me there is a chance we can return this POS to sender.
06-25-2015, 03:14 PM
#9980
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What happens when a LCA gets his bid with this new 2015 process and isn't happy with the trips. On the 20th he drops one of the ones that was pulled from the bid package and picks up a different trip. Now that trip that wasn't available to fill an FOs line is now in open time for both A and B?
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