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Old 05-22-2015, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123 View Post
FYI, The JCBA was passed by this margin because SOMEBODY already went in and got their own deal prior to the NWA folks getting involved. Kinda difficult to do better when over half the pilot group already had "their deal".

There is a train of thought that maybe had we all done a contract together, we all would have been better off.
You really want to go there again?
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore View Post
No. Please do tell!!
I'd love to but I wasnt there.

But I had a senior LCA bidding ER FO jumpseater flying home that was livid over what he heard. But instead of saying what he said, which would require a significant amount of F words, I was hoping someone was actually there.

But the take trips away from FOs is popping up everywhere and the thought of locking down LCA to the trips is a terrible idea if you want to retain and recruit good LCA.
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
You really want to go there again?
Oh, I know. Those stubborn NWA guys were not playing nice so some decided to go in without them..

Doesn't matter. End result, once again, we all received less than we should have.
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
We've already got confirmation that a concession not in the survey (LCAs' trips removed from FO PBS bidding) has been granted.

Also confirmed: concessionary changes to sick leave. I think it's safe to say that concession directly opposes the survey results.

Those are not rumors. Those are confirmed as approved by the MEC. As additional confirmation, note that none of the usual Dalpa suspects are denying it.

Guys, we're in trouble. It's time to mash the panic button and spread the word.
Purple nobody is refuting your BS because it's fatiguing debating with such a one dimensional pessimist. Worse yet, you aren't dealing in facts.

You have no idea what's going on in the room. You may have "multiple sources" but they're either feeding you this sensationalist garbage (for God knows what purpose) or you are hearing what you want to hear and letting your imagination run wild.

To anyone reading this stuff and giving it an ounce of credibility, contact your reps. Pin them down with direct questions and provide crystal clear input on where you stand wrt any of these issues that you are concerned about. 80 put it best a few pages ago: it's too early for pitchforks. Take the time to find out for yourself what's going on.

Finally Purple, I'd say it's pretty obvious you mashed the panic button a long time ago. Good luck with your campaign.

Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone. I hope you're either enjoying the time off or flying a GSWC
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
PM sent....RE:/November Rain
Quick answer is yes. But check your pm.
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
As one of the 14, are you really an objective judge? why weren't you re-elected?

And it's laughable to think MEM would have voted in favor.
I talked to one of the MEM reps at the time. He would have voted yes
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by caddis View Post
I talked to one of the MEM reps at the time. He would have voted yes
Can't be true. Purple has good information. He has sources.

Anything else is "laughable"
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123 View Post
Oh, I know. Those stubborn NWA guys were not playing nice so some decided to go in without them..

Doesn't matter. End result, once again, we all received less than we should have.
Spin it how you want. It has nothing to do with not wanting to "play nice" Stevens didn't want to play at all. That's your huckleberry. You are right about the end result however.
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Old 05-22-2015, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge View Post
Can't be true. Purple has good information. He has sources.

Anything else is "laughable"
And you Leine are doing what you always do. Lock step agreement with the MEC administration. Your job is to tell everyone that it's way too early to grab the pitchforks...right up until the document is signed and pitchforks won't matter. It's what you do. It's what you've always done. You either have no sources, or you're lying about what is happening at this very moment. There is a huge power struggle going on right now, and it's over concessions.

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Old 05-22-2015, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
I'd love to but I wasnt there.

But I had a senior LCA bidding ER FO jumpseater flying home that was livid over what he heard. But instead of saying what he said, which would require a significant amount of F words, I was hoping someone was actually there.

But the take trips away from FOs is popping up everywhere and the thought of locking down LCA to the trips is a terrible idea if you want to retain and recruit good LCA.
Agreed 100%. I don't know about the other fleets, but on the 88, the LCAs earn every penny of their 15% override. If there are no other incentives then why in the world would anyone want to expose themselves to the ASAP minefield of new hire training? I fly with talented, patient, and even keeled Capts all the time that have no desire whatsoever to be a LCA. We need those guys, not the riff raff we would be left with if you stripped away the bennies that go with the job.
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