Very good post. I was flying with a guy a few years back and he relayed a conversation he had on his previous trip with a FO.

The Captain was complaining about something that had to do with the commuter policy and he was hoping we could improve conditions for commuters on C2012.

The FO responded that he lived in base and didn't think it was fair that negotiating capital should be squandered on something that only benefits a minority of pilots, albeit quite a few.

Without missing a beat the Captain responded "Well then why should any Captain above 737 sacrifice negotiating capital on small jet scope?"

He said you could virtually see the light bulb illuminate above the guys head in the cockpit. We must safeguard all aspects of our contract for all Pilots.

Bottom line folks: Everything we currently have in the contract has already been bought and paid for. We would be fools to concede anything with Profit sharing going through the roof.

And to those who say "Yeah, but who knows what will happen to PS in 5 years." Why would I care about what happens in 5 or 10 years when we are basically talking about a 3 year deal?

Scoop

 

Very well said!
Agreed, well 99% anyway.

When referring to profit sharing, please make sure that you are not confusing the term concession with exchange. Whether the pilot group wants more/less/same profitsharing (we can only ASS-u-me since none of use have seen the survey and polling data), it is only a concession if we remain uncompensated for any alteration.

I, and I presume that you too, will evaluate any proposed alterations to the plan using strictly the math. Every dollar moved to another section of the contract must be accounted for before the remaining amounts can be measured for net gain to the pilot group. Most of us have a minimum this increase must be, regardless where the increases are made. QOL must be evaluated also. I'm not enthused about a PS change just for the sake of changing, but will entertain the concept if my other standards are met first.

The Reps/NC/MEC are pushing very hard and I do not believe we will see any TA unless they believe it is suitable. We, the line pilots, are the final arbiter of this process. I will vote accordingly and I presume all of the pilots on APC will also. Thus far there has been no indication that they have rushed this process. Working at an increased pace and rushing are distinctly different. I believe the pace has been intense, but not rushed. We will know it was rushed when/if we see a result that is substandard. Until then it is merely fear-mongering.

 

The sooner you can remember that there are no sides, the better you will understand what is happening to us.

DAL and DALPA are partners. Their work together provides a non-labor strife and predictable future, where both UNION, UNION HEADS and MANAGERS capitalize on conformity.

60% of us are sheep. We will believe in what we are told and accept it with a grin on our face. RH is capitalizing on all of this.

It is our duty to pressure our REPS and or get guys like Farrell, London, Timbo, Jerry, Spackler, SOL etc into office. Until then, this UNION is nothing more than management's right hand man.

TEN

 

i havent bothered with my reps since 2009 but this information is helpful thanks for letting us line slugs know

 

We were all offered the same deal. The NWA MEC didn't accept it (for whatever reason you want to assign to it) and the deal got worse for all of us because Delta took money off the table because the economy was getting worse. It's living proof that just waiting and/or demanding more doesn't make the deal better as much as timing and knowing when to say when does. I'd love to have that 2% in my pocket and more DC growing since the market crash and NWA guys not in matrixes, but ideological differences in the MECs did this. People did this. Egos did this.

Same management team and if you believe everyone on here the former NWA reps and former Delta reps are essentially the same today or are at least similar thinking as the merger teams.

The former conspiracy games even made it into our lawsuits like Tanksley where a judge literally points out from documents that the “[t]he Bartels clan wanted to get [cost containment] out on the hotline and Bill has fanned flames of set up/conspiracy."

You have one side of the MEC (based on what I've read here) attempting to negotiate and another side leaking out strange details for political reasons and trying to run the clock down (in hopes?) of generating pressure to make the deal better. Getting a deal early/on time (TVM) vs going full blown Section 6 (29 months of mediation).

Does anyone here think that going into mediation this March will yield a better deal looking at FedEx and UPS and SWA? Really?

Whatever the political hold up on the MEC is, both sides need to figure out what plan B is to reach a deal and not just default to "it's not my fault, the mediators did it." How long does anyone here think that Delta is going to drop everything and sit down with us. At some point all these management guys need to go back to running the airline. There's a reason the NMB requires we negotiate in good faith.

Dropping the stand ups out of FAR 117 had a price thrown around of a few million dollars. Which side was right? Do we want the flying or not? Apparently there is a price. I don't want crew meals. Other guys do.

LCA bidding...Delta will still buy the trips they need and guys will still be paid to stay home but it might not be biddable (if true) which only helps a few senior guys in reality. If it is true it sounds more like when MAC charter flying went into PCS for all of us instead of the Bubbas doing it all with a late night call from you favorite scheduler. Delta will still have to buy guys off trips for training like they do today.

 

Are you God? Since when did you get blessed with the "knowledge" that the rest of us knuckleheads apparently just can't comprehend?

Glad to see you think so little of your fellow pilots. Guess what? We have brains and thought processes, even if they don't perfectly line up into your little conspiratorial world.

Is he? Says who, and for what benefit? What is his e-ville (heh, heh, heh) agenda?

It is our duty to pressure our reps. I know Timbo and Farrell and they are both great guys. I would trust either in an instant, and for a lifetime. The rest I don't know and based on their posting history am a bit dubious, to put it mildly.

 

Here is a thought. Lets allow the LCA's to "buy" trips. Preferably my senior trip. Then both I and an F/O could go home with pay! I've still heard nothing but APC rumors. OFG

 

Again... None of the usual suspects are denying the substance of the "rumors."

I think we can stop calling them "rumors" now.

Standing by for Dalpa to "get in front" of the TA with a professional grade indoctrination campaign.

 

I never said I was GOD.

Look at the many smart people that get swindled daily. Fear tactics, misinformation, time constraints, made up exaggerated scenarios and back-room deals are the spark that light up the elaborate and costly "spin-machine" in which is used to take advantage of unsuspecting and trusting people like you.

We need to wake up and stop diluting our worth.

TEN

->Politicians are dirty. Power in the wrong hands is e-ville (heh,heh,heh).

 

I'm glad you're on the front lines to protect the "unsuspecting and trusting". Thank you for your service to the pilot group. What would we do without your loaded opinions and conspiracy theories?

Your perception of your fellow pilots is sad (for you). Thankfully it's not reality!