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05-30-2015 | 06:16 PM
#5181
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Delta C2015
Can we fix the outstation sits and airplane swaps. It's getting a little ridiculous. Have a nice 6 hour block day, oh but wait!! Well throw in an airport standby and get you up to 12 duty hours for free!!! Call now
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05-30-2015 | 06:17 PM
#5182
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Light Chop
05-30-2015 | 06:50 PM
#5183
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,202
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
In addition to communicating with our reps, we've got to communicate with the guys who may not frequent any forums (ie, the majority of the pilot group).
It's a little outside my comfort zone to bring contract stuff up (on the van or over beers), but guys seem interested...and surprised at the concessions being considered.
Grassroots communication is the only way to overcome Dalpa's propaganda juggernaut.
It's a little outside my comfort zone to bring contract stuff up (on the van or over beers), but guys seem interested...and surprised at the concessions being considered.
Grassroots communication is the only way to overcome Dalpa's propaganda juggernaut.
05-30-2015 | 07:00 PM
#5184
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Lewis and Bartels fail in bankruptcy and blame McClain and Dollaway
Lewis and Bartels fail in JCBA and blame Moak
Lewis and Bartels fail in seniority integration and blame arbitrators, lawyers, Delta MEC, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I can tell they are only good at one thing. Blaming others for their mistakes. Sigh.
05-30-2015 | 07:04 PM
#5185
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Joined: Mar 2015
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My understanding is our fate is down to 3 swing votes on the MEC. You can talk to anyone you want but if you know these guys you need to make them comfortable with the go-around. If this gets TAed it's game over. All I can say is wind the watch, expand the team.
If this special session is the rumored vote session only a personal touch to assure them there is more game to play can really help. I tried to show the company has the means to give in order to build confidence and resolve. Right now it's up to those individuals. We have little influence except to prop up these guys. Hoping I'm wrong. We are going to have to take, we won't be given.
If this special session is the rumored vote session only a personal touch to assure them there is more game to play can really help. I tried to show the company has the means to give in order to build confidence and resolve. Right now it's up to those individuals. We have little influence except to prop up these guys. Hoping I'm wrong. We are going to have to take, we won't be given.
05-30-2015 | 07:08 PM
#5186
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Can't attack the facts so you attack the messenger.
Lewis and Bartels fail in bankruptcy and blame McClain and Dollaway
Lewis and Bartels fail in JCBA and blame Moak
Lewis and Bartels fail in seniority integration and blame arbitrators, lawyers, Delta MEC, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I can tell they are only good at one thing. Blaming others for their mistakes. Sigh.
Lewis and Bartels fail in bankruptcy and blame McClain and Dollaway
Lewis and Bartels fail in JCBA and blame Moak
Lewis and Bartels fail in seniority integration and blame arbitrators, lawyers, Delta MEC, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I can tell they are only good at one thing. Blaming others for their mistakes. Sigh.
05-30-2015 | 07:31 PM
#5187
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: 747-400 Captain
Can't attack the facts so you attack the messenger.
Lewis and Bartels fail in bankruptcy and blame McClain and Dollaway
Lewis and Bartels fail in JCBA and blame Moak
Lewis and Bartels fail in seniority integration and blame arbitrators, lawyers, Delta MEC, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I can tell they are only good at one thing. Blaming others for their mistakes. Sigh.
Lewis and Bartels fail in bankruptcy and blame McClain and Dollaway
Lewis and Bartels fail in JCBA and blame Moak
Lewis and Bartels fail in seniority integration and blame arbitrators, lawyers, Delta MEC, etc., etc., etc.
As far as I can tell they are only good at one thing. Blaming others for their mistakes. Sigh.
That's the only fact I'm seeing out of you.
Carl
05-30-2015 | 07:33 PM
#5188
Back on TDY
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: 747-400 Captain
My understanding is our fate is down to 3 swing votes on the MEC. You can talk to anyone you want but if you know these guys you need to make them comfortable with the go-around. If this gets TAed it's game over. All I can say is wind the watch, expand the team.
If this special session is the rumored vote session only a personal touch to assure them there is more game to play can really help. I tried to show the company has the means to give in order to build confidence and resolve. Right now it's up to those individuals. We have little influence except to prop up these guys. Hoping I'm wrong. We are going to have to take, we won't be given.
If this special session is the rumored vote session only a personal touch to assure them there is more game to play can really help. I tried to show the company has the means to give in order to build confidence and resolve. Right now it's up to those individuals. We have little influence except to prop up these guys. Hoping I'm wrong. We are going to have to take, we won't be given.
Carl
05-30-2015 | 08:39 PM
#5189
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Joined: Oct 2006
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Let me guess a response by some: two hands in a bush is better than one hand in a bird so... wait... one bird in a hand is better than two eggs in a bush... wait... now really just wait... Why would I want a bird in my hand?
Anyways, time value of money. There. Build towards the next contract or go nowhere. Look at SWA, five years overdue, do you want to go down that route if you could have improvements across the board TODAY?
Improvements such as, fewer RJs at DCI, better productivity balance with JVs, pay raises in section 3 with DOS increase starting this summer, less at risk pay, and improvements that lead to more first time Captain opportunities. And then more in 3 years.
Our do you want to go the SWA route?
You would say...
Anyways, time value of money. There. Build towards the next contract or go nowhere. Look at SWA, five years overdue, do you want to go down that route if you could have improvements across the board TODAY?
Improvements such as, fewer RJs at DCI, better productivity balance with JVs, pay raises in section 3 with DOS increase starting this summer, less at risk pay, and improvements that lead to more first time Captain opportunities. And then more in 3 years.
Our do you want to go the SWA route?
You would say...
05-30-2015 | 09:23 PM
#5190
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Joined: Feb 2014
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Fixed your statement....
Not if we keep writing more outsourced jumbo RJ's into these TA's every 3 or 4 years. Let's hold the line for once. I understand many of those crafting these TA's are looking after their own seniority situation and don't mind horse trading larger RJ's keeping the divisive outsourced RJ dream of Leo alive. It's unnecessary and short sighted. Let's do something good for the industry.
Gloopy suggested creating a timeline to sunset outsourced flying. This is the correct way to go. Fight scope on the top and bottom end. It creates solidarity. We write letters to our government leaders to fend off the middle east carriers while we let our union take us down the primrose path of further scope creep that harms all Delta pilots. It's the definition of insanity.
Not if we keep writing more outsourced jumbo RJ's into these TA's every 3 or 4 years. Let's hold the line for once. I understand many of those crafting these TA's are looking after their own seniority situation and don't mind horse trading larger RJ's keeping the divisive outsourced RJ dream of Leo alive. It's unnecessary and short sighted. Let's do something good for the industry.
Gloopy suggested creating a timeline to sunset outsourced flying. This is the correct way to go. Fight scope on the top and bottom end. It creates solidarity. We write letters to our government leaders to fend off the middle east carriers while we let our union take us down the primrose path of further scope creep that harms all Delta pilots. It's the definition of insanity.
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