How do ya figure?

 

Again, lots of folks seem to be absolutely positive they have the gouge on what exactly is in the TA. Maybe some of them are right, but they can't all be.

I'll wait because I have to - that's the process. But, like Flare, I think the process is flawed. What is the process-changing process for Contract 2018? I've been thinking of the following:

- Negotiations are going to be under NDAs. I think that's a necessity.
- After the negotiations produce a TA, release to the membership for a 14-day period of review, during which pilots can review (and/or bring to their own professionals to review) and comment to local/national reps. Even if we got only 5% of the pilots to do individual analysis, that's a 600-brain network focused on finding inconsistencies, loopholes, Trojan horses, and other problems.
- During this 14-day review, each local would have 2-3 open meetings to answer questions and get feedback and direction from their constituency.
- After the 14-day review, a 7-day period of debate followed by a recorded and published MEC vote.
- If approved, to the membership for ratification.

This looks like it extends the timeline by 14 days, which I don't think is much in the scheme of things for a 3-4 year contract. And, if the contract is a stinker that gets struck down during review, it sure does. That gives incentive to produce a winner the first time.

However, if the contract is a winner, it really doesn't add any time (and maybe even shortens the process), because the TA would be reviewable by the pilot force 1 week earlier than current practice, and the 3 weeks between release and MEC vote wouldn't be wasted time - 2 weeks of member education and debate, which would continue through the MEC debate/vote process). Thus, the time between the MEC vote and ratification can be shortened.

Not a factor for this contract, but something to think about for the next time.

 

Uh, it's a bigger number.

 

Good thing he pointed that out. I would not have noticed.

 

So what's the average of the latest completely unreliable and rumor based WAG?

Seems somewhere around 9/6/3/3. Possible clawback on PS. No word on DC or scope or work rules?

Hope that's not the case and given the veracity of these forums at large it's probably not.

Another question is how much the deal over at AA has influenced this offer from DAL. Did mgmt see an opportunity to put up pay rates in exchange for clawback elsewhere? Time will tell but we are all hoping your MEC has a winner in their hands.

 

Unlike some here, I will not try and say exactly what would have happened otherwise (ie, "the 717's were coming anyway") but I do wonder now about what the recall of the chairman got us?

Apparently, we have a very divided MEC and less than stellar TA that may not even be sent out to the pilots based on it's merits. I wonder now if the divisiveness of the recall and it's lasting effects outweighed any benefits? Certainly, if this were an eye popping contract, the case could be made. Not sure based on what is rumored here, that somebody could convince me that it was worth it WRT C2015 at this point.

 

Just curious what you know that no one else does.

 

By who, the pilots or by the MEC? IMO, that the YES members of the MEC have already decided this is a great deal.

 

Pattern bargaining:


AMR + 1% = 12% pay raise

then

monetize dollar for dollar half of 2015 profit sharing = 10%

Date of signing 12%, 2016 - 10%, cola 5%

Four year deal 12/10/5/5 and retain upper half of profit sharing

12/10/5/5 + PS

 

So, asked and answered. Are you trying to up your post count?