Originally Posted by SharpestTool

The recall and DPA threats are quite juvenile. The only cause for recall in this process would be if a rep voted for or against in opposition of the constituency during ratification. That would demonstrate that the rep is out of touch with those he is representing. Curiously, councils 1 & 20 did not recall their reps who voted not to pass along the 2012 TA before their bases showed the highest percentage yes votes during the ratification. Recall is dumb and an empty threat.

Going over to the DPA is even dumber. That ship sailed and sunk a long time ago. Fact is the majority of Delta pilots see that outfit for what it is, a small group of misfits perpetuating outright lies, half truths, and illusion.

The same emotional unstable personas are here, as always, looking to spew and inform us all just how big a POS this TA really is. Of course they have nothing to go on, but why let that inconvenient truth get in the way of a their latest tantrum or good cry? My teenage daughter shows more emotional stability and poise.

I find it interesting that there hasn't been any substantial leaks this time from Councils 1 & 20. They tried to torpedo the 2012 TA during the MEC review. After finding themselves in the minority during the vote, they continued to campaign against membership ratification. As far as I know, neither council apologized to its members For being out of step with the consensus majority. Maybe both councils see this TA a little differently.

It is very clear that the MEC followed a different path than last time, as evidenced by the nearly continuous string of special MEC meetings. The MEC effectively made itself into the negotiating committee. I would say that tactic is fraught with risk, but it just might have worked this time. There won't be any surprises next week. The MEC saw this TA presented in conceptual form at the previous special MEC meeting. They debated and voted on whether to green light the negotiating team. Next week they will review the language.

I suspect the votes fell along the same and predictable lines, similar to last time. I view it as cultural thing. What remains to be seen is how vehement the NO crowd is this time. A lack of bombastic rhetoric from them actually will signal they are satisfied with the TA. This because I think culturally they find it distasteful to join the consensus. Far better to be viewed as bare knuckle bad *** unionists. Interestingly, the members of those councils see through the theatrics and vote accordingly. Further, they don't hold it against their reps. Just the way the sausage is made.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

A willingness to maximize our leverage is "one of the silliest comments ever?"

I'm sensing desperation from the sales team.

Originally Posted by MOTOJOE

Well if 9/6/3/3 is even close. And c2012 was 4/8.5/3/3 or was it 8.5/4/3/3 then it's already passed. Just sayn...

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

Yep they're waiting to piggyback on our deal. Leading the way would have been nice considering they had a 3 year head start. I wouldn't hold them up as a shining example of union hood. There's been no one for us to pattern off for the last decade plus. American's deal is really no help with their largely intact retirements no profit sharing and the crappy work rules they have. I expect a lot from this deal and will be happy to wait like you if it's not enough. We'll find out if our guys panicked next week and vote accordingly.

Originally Posted by Bananie

I'm sensing lunacy from you. I've added more than 100,000 bucks to my pay in the last three years. If I chose to wait, how do I get my 100,000 back?

Originally Posted by Vikz09

Yes, I will wait years. I will keep my profit sharing untouched. If rumors are correct, that will be 5.75%, I will loose on this early deal. I will also receive approximately 3 % from the match of American and United rates (if you think management isn't giving raises next year to the rest of the employees your crazy). So the worst thing that I see, is I would loose 8% for the remainder of this year. I also keep my dignity and for once in my life tell management that I am better than their cheap bribes! Chin HI, I will still see raises without a deal.

Originally Posted by scambo1

I guess you aren't factoring in the funding of the 6% from your profit sharing. So, in reality it's 9/0.5/3/3.

Just sayin...

Originally Posted by MOTOJOE

A huge portion of this airline retires in the next 5 yrs. for most of them their last contract. They don't want to wait for a few more percentage points. If this TA passes the MEC. Then behind closed doors most or all in this group will vote yes.