Details on Delta TA
06-06-2015, 02:49 PM
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We will find out soon enough next week. Everyone is going to have to look at the TA and decide, based on their best interest, if they want to vote yes or no. Sounds terrible but it's true. A guy that might not make it 2 years of drawn out contract negotiations is going to vote differently than someone that has time to spare. I personally have a percentage pay raise, that does not include a PS giveback, that this thing needs to hit for me to check yes. If it doesn't hit that percentage or it hits that percentage but it requires me to self fund it via a PS giveback then the other parts of the contract had better be off the charts good. We will see next week.
06-06-2015, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
Well if 9/6/3/3 is even close. And c2012 was 4/8.5/3/3 or was it 8.5/4/3/3 then it's already passed. Just sayn...
06-06-2015, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
We will find out soon enough next week. Everyone is going to have to look at the TA and decide, based on their best interest, if they want to vote yes or no. Sounds terrible but it's true. A guy that might not make it 2 years of drawn out contract negotiations is going to vote differently than someone that has time to spare. I personally have a percentage pay raise, that does not include a PS giveback, that this thing needs to hit for me to check yes. If it doesn't hit that percentage or it hits that percentage but it requires me to self fund it via a PS giveback then the other parts of the contract had better be off the charts good. We will see next week.
When I vote, I vote for our profession.
06-06-2015, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
A huge portion of this airline retires in the next 5 yrs. for most of them their last contract. They don't want to wait for a few more percentage points. If this TA passes the MEC. Then behind closed doors most or all in this group will vote yes.
For example, I'm in that 5 year window you describe. Old Ferd likes his profit sharing and doesn't want it touched and all raises need to be on top of it. 30something Ferd would be yelling from the rooftops to ditch it, we were nuts to get on that crackpipe to begin with. Who knew it would become so profitable
So, not all cats fit in the same boxes. Be careful with blanket statements.
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06-06-2015, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
The AJC is reporting that R.A. recently got a 22% pay increase. I'd be ok w/ 22/4/4/4, or thereabouts.
06-06-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
While there certainly were gains in C2012, an extra $30,000-$35,000 seems kind of high. How did you get that $100,000 figure, and does that factor in the PS reduction of 5% on $2.5 billion?
06-06-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
Are you ready to wait 3 years like SWAPA? Time is money. How much are you willing to spend? When they finally get an agreement, back that money up to the amendable date and see how modest the raises could have been to replicate the same performance. Math is good in that way, it cuts through the BS and shows that maybe "stones" aren't as valuable as some folks on this board make them out to be. Maybe we can get a nuetral's opinion and ask American and US Airways pilots about "stones" and how time and money passed them by.
Never mind our execs are up over 700% since chapter 11. Never mind the billions given to the shareholders since management does know what to do with the money. Never mind the bankruptcy concessions still in our pwa.
Thank you sir, May I have another.
06-06-2015, 03:11 PM
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Well here is one thing that could be a game changer. If they pay banded aircraft and most will be brought up to the highest pay level. Like 330 and 767-400 to th 747and 777 or 320 737 to er pay, plus a 9/6/3/3 raise for the highest banded level, that could be huge! Just dreaming..
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06-06-2015, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
How does that seem high. Direct raises are up to 20% now plus increases in the DC plan, vacation, training. Reserves got another 7 to 8% bump. With the average pilot earning close to 200k in 2014 the 30 to 35k number is on the low side.
And are you factoring in the 3-5% reduction in profit sharing over the past 3 years? (Also on the low side)
Unless pilots are flying 80 plus hours every month, and run to the phone for a green slip, $200/ year certainly doesn't seem average.
Well, for first officers at least.
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