Details on Delta TA
06-06-2015, 08:00 PM
#5912
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by Scoop
Guys,
Please call and E-mail your Reps ASAP. Let them know what you think. Call and E-mail your friends and tell them to call and e-mail their reps.
If this TA is a Turd, and we still don't know for sure, and it goes to Memory Rat it will be hard to reject, but it can still be shot down the Pilots.
I looked around in C-12 and saw our competition with BK contracts and us basically bargaining against ourselves.
I voted yes in C-12 but if even a few of these rumors are true I am a No vote this time. Different environment, much, much higher expectations. I sure I am not alone in this regard.
Call/e-mail your reps now!
Scoop
Please call and E-mail your Reps ASAP. Let them know what you think. Call and E-mail your friends and tell them to call and e-mail their reps.
If this TA is a Turd, and we still don't know for sure, and it goes to Memory Rat it will be hard to reject, but it can still be shot down the Pilots.
I looked around in C-12 and saw our competition with BK contracts and us basically bargaining against ourselves.
I voted yes in C-12 but if even a few of these rumors are true I am a No vote this time. Different environment, much, much higher expectations. I sure I am not alone in this regard.
Call/e-mail your reps now!
Scoop
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Gentlemen:
I know you're busy. I do not expect a reply. Just want to make sure my input is crystal clear.
If this TA does not substantially restore the standard of living that Delta pilot compensation provided throughout most of the 1980's, 1990's, and early 2000's, WITHOUT decreasing outsourcing (i.e. ZERO more RJ's allowed), it is a no-brainer NO vote for me and a no-brainer YES vote to recall any of you that vote to send it out for MEMRAT. I don't mean that as a threat... I just want you to understand how strongly I feel about it.
This is arguably the strongest negotiating environment in the history of this profession and the history of this pilot group. We either accept bankruptcy as a permanent reset or we do NOT accept bankruptcy as a permanent reset. That line should have been drawn years ago! This is our (your) last chance to clear up the misunderstandings about the value of our profession that DALPA's strategy has allowed to stand for the past decade. If we don't take this chance in THIS environment, I think we forever lock our profession out of the kind of standard of living it provided for decades. Want to fix the "pilot shortage?" You hold the keys in your hands! If the current TA is anything even remotely close to what is rumored, it is an epic FAILURE in terms of achieving a restorative objective for the future of our profession.
I've only got a few months over 9 years left before I retire at age 65. My retirement is shaping up nicely, I still love doing this job, and the money (even though it's not anywhere near what it should be) is decent compared to other professions. I can live with it either way, but I also have a great deal of respect for this profession and I'd like to leave it at least as good as I found it. THIS IS OUR/YOUR LAST CHANCE. I see no reason, given the positive restructuring of our industry and today's profitable environment, that we could not do this.
Please don't let our pilot group go down in history as the group most responsible for the permanent degradation of our profession. I am a huge proponent of a healthy, mutually respectful relationship between labor and management. That is the way successful companies are run! But not when one party is taking extreme advantage of the other. "Proactive Engagement" has been a good idea applied inappropriately under inappropriate circumstances. Your devotion to Lee Moak and his leadership has been a huge mistake. You need to rectify this now, at this juncture, or forever lock this profession into a much lower value than it merits. Gentlemen, the choice is yours. I hope you choose wisely.
06-06-2015, 08:11 PM
#5913
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Posts: 1,537
06-06-2015, 08:12 PM
#5914
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 463
So, DALPA watered down a pilot resolution to account for votes without tampering. What would it take to get a few C1 and C20 reps in the room to make sure no funny business occurs? At this point, based upon words not matching actions, I don't trust the insiders to be honest and accountable.
Perhaps our contracts (including crappy ones) pass with some hanging chads that don't belong. There is a serious conflict of interest having guys count the vote who want it to pass. Can we agree on that? Can we get someone in the room who isn't trying to pass the TA at all costs? I don't think that is asking too much given all the other secrecy this union operates under.
Perhaps our contracts (including crappy ones) pass with some hanging chads that don't belong. There is a serious conflict of interest having guys count the vote who want it to pass. Can we agree on that? Can we get someone in the room who isn't trying to pass the TA at all costs? I don't think that is asking too much given all the other secrecy this union operates under.
06-06-2015, 08:27 PM
#5916
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Not selling anything- but seriously, are we really this hooked on profit sharing... WE WORK FOR AN AIRLINE. We're going to be in the red again, guaranteed, probably within the decade. RA has probably single digit years with us left.
I have a price for portions of profit sharing turned into actual increases in pay rates and soft pay (I'm ALL about soft pay- that way it looks like we make less to the other groups).
Here's the catch: When PS trade deducted out, what is left in the TA has to be appropriate gains in this environment.
I have a price for portions of profit sharing turned into actual increases in pay rates and soft pay (I'm ALL about soft pay- that way it looks like we make less to the other groups).
Here's the catch: When PS trade deducted out, what is left in the TA has to be appropriate gains in this environment.
06-06-2015, 10:03 PM
#5917
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 129
Originally Posted by horrido27
Honest question as an outsider with regards to your Profit Sharing-
Was PS a result of losing your pensions? When did it become part of your Contract?
Thanks..
And Good Luck~
Always
Motch
Was PS a result of losing your pensions? When did it become part of your Contract?
Thanks..
And Good Luck~
Always
Motch
06-06-2015, 11:10 PM
#5918
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Posts: 216
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Not selling anything- but seriously, are we really this hooked on profit sharing... WE WORK FOR AN AIRLINE. We're going to be in the red again, guaranteed, probably within the decade. RA has probably single digit years with us left.
I have a price for portions of profit sharing turned into actual increases in pay rates and soft pay (I'm ALL about soft pay- that way it looks like we make less to the other groups).
Here's the catch: When PS trade deducted out, what is left in the TA has to be appropriate gains in this environment.
I have a price for portions of profit sharing turned into actual increases in pay rates and soft pay (I'm ALL about soft pay- that way it looks like we make less to the other groups).
Here's the catch: When PS trade deducted out, what is left in the TA has to be appropriate gains in this environment.
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