Details on Delta TA
06-07-2015 | 02:46 PM
#6041
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
You have to admire our management's courage. To announce a $5 billion buy back during historic negotiations with the only union on the property takes an enormous amount of confidence. Confidence that they can control any process or outcome. The confidence to dominate us under what would appear to be the best of times for labor to recoup our losses. If our MEC can't bear the responsibility we've given them, it's time for a change.
When Richard said, "Labor Risk has been taken off the table." That would have been a good time for the MEC Chairman to say, "Not so fast...".
But that's not what happened. Silence implies consent.
Now go back and look at what happened in 2012. Management opened early, dangled a shiny new (used) jet (717) and rushed them into 4, 8.5,3,3 deal, trading profit sharing, but oh... you'll never see those two 3% raises, Richard is going to buy parts of American, or Alaska, or something, and we'll be back in negotiations.
It worked so well in 2012, why wouldn't Management run the exact same play again? They did. And it worked again. And if this p.o.s. passes, we STILL won't be back at 2004 pay rates, in 2019! Never mind inflation for 15 years!
15 years of ongoing concessions, no wonder Delta is making Billions. Some of that money used to be OUR money, in pay rates and retirement funding. And now the MEC wants to trade MORE profit sharing for puny raises?? Are you kidding me?
When we gave concessions in bankruptcy, we didn't give pay OR retirement, we gave BOTH. Now I want BOTH back. Not one or the other, BOTH. The profit sharing is our only hope to putting enough money away to retire on, if we trade it away for 3% pay raises, well, we are idiots.
06-07-2015 | 02:58 PM
#6042
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From: DAL 330
So if we were in a normal Four or five yr contract it would of looked like this 12.5/4/4/4/4, but if the negative waves man pilots on this forum (say it like in Kelly's heroes) are close in there pay predictions then our pay looks like this 12.5/4/4/15/4/4. More than a 33% increase in pay in six yrs. Not to shabby IMO. But like others have said it all depends on the rest of the contract.
Your objective numbers may be correct but your subjective categorization lacks context. "Not too shabby?" Really?
33% would be good if it was not a snapshot taken after most of us lost upwards of 40%.
Scoop
06-07-2015 | 03:51 PM
#6046
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
failingfud,
Your feigned ignorance rings hollow.
Get your rest. Break out the FUD. RA needs you working overtime to sell this thing starting Tuesday.
New guys: FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt.
See how many times you can catch the sales team peddling it. It would be great drinking game fodder...if it wasn't meant to take money out of our pockets.
Your feigned ignorance rings hollow.
Get your rest. Break out the FUD. RA needs you working overtime to sell this thing starting Tuesday.
New guys: FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt.
See how many times you can catch the sales team peddling it. It would be great drinking game fodder...if it wasn't meant to take money out of our pockets.
06-07-2015 | 03:54 PM
#6047
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: 777B
Call to Action
We have never sent the NC back after reaching a TA. If all you lurkers are as concerned as I am, I strongly suggest you email your reps today!
Here is my email to my 44 reps with cc's to MD and all the LEC chairs:
Of course rumors are flying and they sound quite disturbing.
As a member who pays a significant amount of dues each year, and considering this is the best economic/negotiating environment in my almost 27yrs, I am expecting nothing short of spectacular…
If we reduce/give back/concede on ANY section of our PWA, it must be sent back. Period. If we must accept LESS INCREASE in one section to allow MORE INCREASE in another section, I would understand that.
The total value of this contract can be no less the 1 Billion per year… that is entirely reasonable and doable, given the multi-billion dollar buy backs for investors and executives.
Considering our current PS and section 3.B.4, I am more than willing to “wind the clock” and remain status quo under our current contract. (And PS is a bonus. Period. It is something we accepted to take some of the sting out of the last 11yrs. It is not to be touched. Period.)
If DALPA/ALPA cannot achieve an epic contract in these unprecedented financial times, than we have the wrong representational body. I will be forced to look for another entity that will be a better steward of my hard earned wages… this is not a threat, but is purely a business decision.
Based on many conversations in my cockpits since 2012, I am not alone in this thinking.
Thank you.
P.s., I am in Asia and I know you are busy. A reply is not necessary, as your vote and the votes of the MEC will be reply enough.
We have never sent the NC back after reaching a TA. If all you lurkers are as concerned as I am, I strongly suggest you email your reps today!
Here is my email to my 44 reps with cc's to MD and all the LEC chairs:
Of course rumors are flying and they sound quite disturbing.
As a member who pays a significant amount of dues each year, and considering this is the best economic/negotiating environment in my almost 27yrs, I am expecting nothing short of spectacular…
If we reduce/give back/concede on ANY section of our PWA, it must be sent back. Period. If we must accept LESS INCREASE in one section to allow MORE INCREASE in another section, I would understand that.
The total value of this contract can be no less the 1 Billion per year… that is entirely reasonable and doable, given the multi-billion dollar buy backs for investors and executives.
Considering our current PS and section 3.B.4, I am more than willing to “wind the clock” and remain status quo under our current contract. (And PS is a bonus. Period. It is something we accepted to take some of the sting out of the last 11yrs. It is not to be touched. Period.)
If DALPA/ALPA cannot achieve an epic contract in these unprecedented financial times, than we have the wrong representational body. I will be forced to look for another entity that will be a better steward of my hard earned wages… this is not a threat, but is purely a business decision.
Based on many conversations in my cockpits since 2012, I am not alone in this thinking.
Thank you.
P.s., I am in Asia and I know you are busy. A reply is not necessary, as your vote and the votes of the MEC will be reply enough.
06-07-2015 | 04:03 PM
#6049
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
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failingfud,
Your feigned ignorance rings hollow.
Get your rest. Break out the FUD. RA needs you working overtime to sell this thing starting Tuesday.
New guys: FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt.
See how many times you can catch the sales team peddling it. It would be great drinking game fodder...if it wasn't meant to take money out of our pockets.
Your feigned ignorance rings hollow.
Get your rest. Break out the FUD. RA needs you working overtime to sell this thing starting Tuesday.
New guys: FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt.
See how many times you can catch the sales team peddling it. It would be great drinking game fodder...if it wasn't meant to take money out of our pockets.
06-07-2015 | 04:10 PM
#6050
Thread Starter
Gets Weekends Off
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Rumor of 10% moved to $6 billion 20% above for profit sharing.
Even you wouldn't vote for that would you Sailing?
My dog can negotiate better than that.
3:30 vacation?? That's not negotiating, that's playing dead..
Was Bernie negotiating from Weekend at Bernie's doing our bidding?
The home team is already selling on the chit chat forum.
Yes the TA is pathetic, but do you want to get parked?
Is this what Mike Donnatelli meant when he said we wouldn't rush into a bad deal?
He makes Tim O'Malley seem like a rock star.
Even you wouldn't vote for that would you Sailing?
My dog can negotiate better than that.
3:30 vacation?? That's not negotiating, that's playing dead..
Was Bernie negotiating from Weekend at Bernie's doing our bidding?
The home team is already selling on the chit chat forum.
Yes the TA is pathetic, but do you want to get parked?
Is this what Mike Donnatelli meant when he said we wouldn't rush into a bad deal?
He makes Tim O'Malley seem like a rock star.
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