Why do you think that? Do you think the company walked in and said "This is our offer" and the negotiators then said "OK, we'll send it out to the MEC"? Really? Is that how this worked?

 

It is not a "deal," it is a TENTATIVE agreement subject to MEC approval and member ratification.


Scoop

 

767A was $193 in 1992 today it pays $226.

That's a $33/hr raise over 23 years. Or .69% annual raises. That was of course when retirement was guaranteed and medical was virtually cost free among a dozen other items we no longer have. I don't need to tell any of you how much inflation has risen during that same time.
Also C2K was valued at approx.. $2.1B I believe with 10,000 pilots. Delta took in around $14B in total revenue. Last year Delta took in $40.3B and our current contract is worth roughly $3B with 28% more pilots on the list today (12,800) AFTER a merger with a pilot group of 5,000 -7,000 pilots.

$2.1/14B = 15% of total revenue
$3/40.3B = 7.4% of total revenue for pilot costs

We are 1/2 of the relative cost to Delta right now compared to C2K and DAL makes more net profit in 2 months than it netted in one year back then.
Profit sharing while undeniably great does NOT equate to the pension we lost.
Vote as you choose. I HOPE this TA restores at least our pay from 11 years ago PLUS incremental increases along the way.

I will withhold judgment and comment until the actual TA is released.

 

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You are kidding right. Do you remember a thing called the bankruptcy protection letter that we got when we coughed up 32% of our pay? Talk about just kidding.

 

So you're going to guarantee that another 2008 or 9/11 isn't going to happen in the next 3 years? Seriously? Or the current cycle that is going on 8 years isn't going to reverse. Wow!

 

Bender,

You need to actually talk to your reps. I have and something did change in recent weeks. No one is happy about it. Wait until the TA comes out in a couple days and see if you can choke it down. We are not in BK but we are taking direction as if we were. Heck the FA's get 4:45 a day for their recurrent I thought we would have at least go that.

 

As long as you think this negotiation is about awarding the MEC or negotiators anything, you and I will not find agreement.

I'm also not well versed in what tactics have or haven't woked in the past, having been in the military and oblivious throughout the "lost decade". But I'll also say I never chose my military tactics for a new threat based solely on what tactics worked against a different threat in the past.

Show me a negotiating environment in the past that mirrors this one? If you anchor your expectations in the past (or try to get us to), you'll achieve an embarrassing and historically mediocre contract.

 

That's fine. I have talked to my reps actually, but that is apparently irrelevant, because Ted just said that this is the first-worst offer. I just want to know how that works. Are our negotiators really that stupid? Really?

I will absolutely wait until I see the TA before hitting the panic button like many on here seem to have already done.

 

$193 in 1992 = $335 today.

CPI Inflation Calculator

Of course, glamour shots and air brushing were really cool then too so now unless you're at Myrtle Beach both are out.



So I guess we should be paid less for not living in a time where you want to gouge your eyes out.