Details on Delta TA
06-09-2015 | 05:44 PM
#6891
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From: 747-400 Captain
One of the good things out of this is everyone now knowing who has been trying to BS everyone. Although there's a lot of disappointment here, I'd just ask everyone to reflect on whether they are truly surprised or not. I maintain that deep down, you knew this would happen. The evidence has always been right there. As soon as Donatelli started renaming profit sharing as "at risk compensation", you knew what was about to happen...despite all the usual suspects claiming it would never happen because Richard said he's commited to keeping profit sharing. Same with the sick leave evidence and the scope/JV evidence.
My hope is that we will now use our logical minds instead of our hopes and beliefs that our union is looking out for us. We can't continue to ignore evidence or our logical minds will fail us due to being overruled by what we so hope for. Remember when the MEC made the case that changing JV measuring metrics from block hours to EASK's was necessary to preserve jobs? It made sense. It made so much sense, the company refused to comply with it. Now after having signed off on the grievance for 30 million, the TA now reverts back to block hours...exactly opposite of the MEC's case when the JV was first signed. Both can't be right. Somebody's lying. You already know who is lying from the evidence.
This is but one example. There are many others. Pay attention to your own logical minds. You've survived in aviation as long as you have because you used it.
Carl
My hope is that we will now use our logical minds instead of our hopes and beliefs that our union is looking out for us. We can't continue to ignore evidence or our logical minds will fail us due to being overruled by what we so hope for. Remember when the MEC made the case that changing JV measuring metrics from block hours to EASK's was necessary to preserve jobs? It made sense. It made so much sense, the company refused to comply with it. Now after having signed off on the grievance for 30 million, the TA now reverts back to block hours...exactly opposite of the MEC's case when the JV was first signed. Both can't be right. Somebody's lying. You already know who is lying from the evidence.
This is but one example. There are many others. Pay attention to your own logical minds. You've survived in aviation as long as you have because you used it.
Carl
06-09-2015 | 05:45 PM
#6892
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Road construction signholder
The top 10 analyst in the US with decades of credibility are all saying the economic crash will occur between Oct 2015 and Jul 2016. To include a currency reset.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.
(BTW unless there is something great lurking that we all are unaware of, I'll be a no voter)
06-09-2015 | 05:49 PM
#6894
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Road construction signholder
Actually upon further reading I am convinced that Bounty Man is not a pilot, and is probably a pilot's teenager at his dad's computer. No pilot would post with that level of grammatical sloppiness.
06-09-2015 | 05:56 PM
#6897
Line Holder
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 993
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From: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up guage the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.
06-09-2015 | 05:58 PM
#6898
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,263
Likes: 105
From: DAL 330
The top 10 analyst in the US with decades of credibility are all saying the economic crash will occur between Oct 2015 and Jul 2016. To include a currency reset.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.
Well then, I guess you will just short airline stocks and be a billionaire in two years.
Good grief.
Scoop
06-09-2015 | 06:01 PM
#6899
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They use a highly respected third party to count and tabulate the votes. How exactly could they manipulate the vote? Even if in some fantasy world you could get that company (ballpoint) to cheat on the results do you really think our reps are so intent on lowering their own pay that they would commit a felony that at a minimum will cost them their jobs and probably lead to jail time to get the TA passed?
Let's come into reality here!
Let's come into reality here!
06-09-2015 | 06:04 PM
#6900
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Joined: Feb 2008
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It's easier than you think. At my previous carrier it happened, hence my concern. Would guys who think they know better than we do "what's good for us" pull something like this? Absolutely. ALPA's actions betray the front they put on. They've proven they cannot be trusted.
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