Airline Pilot Central Forums - Details on Delta TA

I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up guage the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.

If you haven't noticed, our union does not have a good track record of late regarding scope and scope enforcement. We are told "such and such gives us more ironclad scope language and the opportunity to grow our widebody flying in _____ theater". The results speak for themselves. The question is, how many times can you sell the same guy swamp land as the foundation for his new house?

forgot to bid

06-09-2015 06:08 PM

If the E190s are growth, and we took all 739s, 717s, 52 E190s and kept 88s and parked the supposed 60 ish 752s (total and DCI went to 425.... I see a ratio of 2.1 to 2.2.

I only see 1.8 if you keep our current fleet and DCI goes to 425.

If that's right, why set baseline at status quo? Why not put up or shut up, if its growth make the min ratio match?

sailingfun

06-09-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1900010)

The current status quo is 1.55.

profit

06-09-2015 06:12 PM

Why should an E195 pay so much less than a 717? Roughly the same size.

GunshipGuy

06-09-2015 06:15 PM

I'm convinced the supporters of this TA who are part of our pilot group are direct descendants of the French Vichy.

Bounty Man

06-09-2015 06:19 PM

Are you kidding me. There is someone that supports this TA other than the alpa robots ? I don't believe it. Nobody in their right mind could support this TA. It's a NO !!!!!

pilotc90a

06-09-2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1899966)

I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up gauge the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.

Do you really think AF is going to park A380's? I don't. The Euro Laws make it very hard to change block hours (jobs) so I really can't see them down gauging either. The weak Euro makes those routes less profitable for us, so I really don't see us up gauging, quite the opposite in fact. I don't want this part of the agreement to be one of those "we didn't expect them to do that...." when we are flying one A321, to their A380. But at least Delta keeps half the profit, right?

In fact, our BH is LIMITED to 50% +/- 1%. So even if we wanted to fly more frequencies, we can't. I want those jobs at Delta!

EdGrimley

06-09-2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1900004)

So your previous carrier had a voter fraud committed by the MEC while using ballpoint? What carrier and when?

This union used an electronic ballet system administered by a third party. It included an admin function for those within in the union (that hired the third party company) to "correct" votes if there were any issues. It was through this portal that votes were "massaged".

I don't think it's too much to ask allowing pilots a means to check their votes and reconcile with the system pilot wide. Especially with something as important as this TA. The fact our union resists such transparency raises flags.................................... again.

pilotc90a

06-09-2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1900024)

I'm convinced the supporters of this TA who are part of our pilot group are direct descendants of the French Vichy.

Stockholm Syndrome...

forgot to bid

06-09-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1900017)

The current status quo is 1.55.

And that's well above the min of 1.35. If all this growth was planned and known why wasnt the min 1.55?