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08-23-2014 | 05:00 PM
#781
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Sorry, Alan, but I think all your tough talk about C2015 is just that.... talk. I've seen guys like you before. There was one guy in particular on the old DALPA forum who made a really big deal about how high his expectations were for C2012, specifically in terms of pay. All kinds of tough talk. When it came down to it, he was one of the biggest supporters of 4833. Go figure.
08-23-2014 | 05:08 PM
#782
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Sell it as, "The Delta Pilots have contributed over $10 BILLION DOLLARS" these past 10 years, to help Delta out of bankruptcy. The Delta Pilots pay cuts alone have paid down Delta's debt, from $17 Billion to $7 Billion. Now that Delta Employees are earning over a Billion per quarter, it is time for the employees pay and benefits to be RESTORED, prior to any more stock buy backs or dividends!"
Please answer my one and only question:
Why cannot our MEC say the word: "RESTORATION" ??
What is so hard about that? If you don't have a goal, how can you develop a game plan to achieve that goal.
08-23-2014 | 05:09 PM
#783
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You are obviously a DALPA insider, and you are obviously making excuses and setting up an alibi for why we CAN'T succeed.
Why is that?
Why won't any of you DALPA insiders here tell us how/why we CAN succeed? Where's the letter from MD telling us to saddle up and follow him into battle? WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP?
Why is that?
Why won't any of you DALPA insiders here tell us how/why we CAN succeed? Where's the letter from MD telling us to saddle up and follow him into battle? WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP?
Moak contends that ALPA pilots at the larger carriers enjoy what he calls “mature, good contracts” already. Radical overhauls aren’t in the cards, he says.
08-23-2014 | 05:10 PM
#784
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08-23-2014 | 05:16 PM
#785
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I was a long time DALPA supporter right up until a couple weeks ago.
The two things that turned me off were,
1. Lee Moak's interview quote about our contracts being mature, and
2. RA's statement that Labor Risk is off the table, with zero challenge from DALPA on that issue.
I wonder where RA got that idea...?
I'm afraid we are screwed, if our own MEC believes both of those statements, and since they have not answered either one, I can only assume they believe both to be true.
The two things that turned me off were,
1. Lee Moak's interview quote about our contracts being mature, and
2. RA's statement that Labor Risk is off the table, with zero challenge from DALPA on that issue.
I wonder where RA got that idea...?
I'm afraid we are screwed, if our own MEC believes both of those statements, and since they have not answered either one, I can only assume they believe both to be true.
08-23-2014 | 05:23 PM
#786
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I'm not saying it wouldn't be disruptive, but it wouldn't be Armegedon either.
So your plan is an illegal job action, which has failed miserably in the past, got it. You going to run for office and bring us all restoration with your plan?
08-23-2014 | 05:32 PM
#787
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From: 747-400 Captain
3.B.6 was a clause in our contract that basically said, on any 'new' equipment, for which no pay rates existed, the pilots would fly it for 6mo (or was it 9 mo?) while they negotiated a pay rate for it.
If at the end of that time, no pay rate had been established, the aircraft would be parked until a pay rate could be agreed upon.
Our CEO at that time was Leo Mullin, from McKinsey Associates, king of all out sourcing. Leo said he would sell them (we only had two on property, but many more coming) and cancel the orders for more. Our then MEC called his bluff and we settled for a higher pay rate. ($265 in 1998 I believe).
The answer to both of your follow on questions is the same, "Labor Risk".
Too bad it's off the table now!
Oh, and we gave 3.B.6 away in a subsequent contract...sigh. We could have used it to get much higher pay rates on the 717's.
If at the end of that time, no pay rate had been established, the aircraft would be parked until a pay rate could be agreed upon.
Our CEO at that time was Leo Mullin, from McKinsey Associates, king of all out sourcing. Leo said he would sell them (we only had two on property, but many more coming) and cancel the orders for more. Our then MEC called his bluff and we settled for a higher pay rate. ($265 in 1998 I believe).
The answer to both of your follow on questions is the same, "Labor Risk".
Too bad it's off the table now!
Oh, and we gave 3.B.6 away in a subsequent contract...sigh. We could have used it to get much higher pay rates on the 717's.
And you're right about "labor risk".
Carl
08-23-2014 | 05:33 PM
#788
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
a) stock price;
b) BoD's (and ALPA's?) dreams of investment grade stock; and
b) RA's entire leadership regime, which would likely crumble when his claims of "labor risk being off the table" prove to be incorrect
We have leverage. Why do you seek to blunt it?
08-23-2014 | 05:42 PM
#790
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From: 747-400 Captain
That's not the question. The question is: Can we replicate the strategy of preparing the pilots for use of the strike weapon if it becomes necessary as the DAL MEC did with C2K?
Carl
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