Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I think FTB is right about the tool. Not a Delta pilot.

Remember it was FTB that busted Lumberg as a fraud.

Carl

Originally Posted by BlackRocket

Consider the options of turning down TA 2015 carefully.

If disapproved, we can end up going to arbitrage and dragging this out for 2-3 years for only a couple percent more. Then we will be ready for a new contract. Also, the arbitrator's directed to meet just industry standards.


Consider all the facts carefuly and vote wisely!
B-R

Originally Posted by BlackRocket

Southwest will "rule the skies" by 2012. They ALWAYS do a better job of hedging fuel costs and continually make a profit albeit while groing their business. My forecast is that most Legacy carriers will be scaled back to just overseas transporters with SWA as their feeder

Originally Posted by MtEverest

Enjoy it for now before the next contract where pilots are required to turn over login ID for internet message boards with their medical records.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I think FTB is right about the tool. Not a Delta pilot.

Remember it was FTB that busted Lumberg as a fraud.

Carl

Originally Posted by MrBojangles

it's pretty narrow minded to be sold on this crap TA solely on the pay rates. The other stuff in there is enough to give you nightmares. go ahead-read all the stuff in red in the new TA

Originally Posted by BlackRocket

DAL Compensation calculations:

Assumptions; 1,000 hrs/year @ 12 years pay seniority

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Current B-777 Captain
$272 x 1,000 = $272,000 + 20% PS = $326,400

New TA 2015 B-777 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$311 x 1,000 = $311,000 + 10% PS = $342,000

That's a 2016 4.8% raise
+ 1.0% 401K contribution is a total aggregate of 5.8%

This doesn't go into effect until 1 Jan 2017, am I right?

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Current B-777 FO
$185 x 1,000 = 185,000 + 20% PS = $222,000

New TA 2015 B-777 FO with 2016 pay rates
$212 x 1,000 = $212,000 + 10% = $233,200

Thats a 2016 5.0% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.0%

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Current B-737 Captain
$219 x 1,000 = $219,000 + 20% PS = $262,800

TA 2015 B-737 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$251 x 1,000 = $251,000 + 10% = $276,222

That's a 2016 5.4% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.4%

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Current B-737 FO
$149 x 1,000 = $149,000 + 20% PS = $178,800

TA 2015 B-737 FO with 2016 pay rates
$170 x 1,000 = $170,000 + 10% PS = $187,000

That's a 2016 4.5% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 5.5%

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Cliff's Notes

*Between the most senior pay rates from B-777 Captain to a 12 year B-737 FO...the average pay raise is appx. 5.5%

Add in the 2017 & 2018 3% pay increases and you end up having an 11.5% raise.

Consider the options of turning down TA 2015 carefully.

If disapproved, we can end up going to arbitrage and dragging this out for 2-3 years for only a couple percent more. Then we will be ready for a new contract. Also, the arbitrator's directed to meet just industry standards.


Consider all the facts carefuly and vote wisely!
B-R

Originally Posted by BlackRocket

DAL Compensation calculations:

Assumptions; 1,000 hrs/year @ 12 years pay seniority

===========================================

Current B-777 Captain
$272 x 1,000 = $272,000 + 20% PS = $326,400

New TA 2015 B-777 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$311 x 1,000 = $311,000 + 10% PS = $342,000

That's a 2016 4.8% raise
+ 1.0% 401K contribution is a total aggregate of 5.8%

===========================================

Current B-777 FO
$185 x 1,000 = 185,000 + 20% PS = $222,000

New TA 2015 B-777 FO with 2016 pay rates
$212 x 1,000 = $212,000 + 10% = $233,200

Thats a 2016 5.0% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.0%

===========================================

Current B-737 Captain
$219 x 1,000 = $219,000 + 20% PS = $262,800

TA 2015 B-737 Captain with 2016 pay rates
$251 x 1,000 = $251,000 + 10% = $276,222

That's a 2016 5.4% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 6.4%

===========================================

Current B-737 FO
$149 x 1,000 = $149,000 + 20% PS = $178,800

TA 2015 B-737 FO with 2016 pay rates
$170 x 1,000 = $170,000 + 10% PS = $187,000

That's a 2016 4.5% raise
+ 1.0% 401k contribution is a total aggregate of 5.5%

===========================================
Cliff's Notes

*Between the most senior pay rates from B-777 Captain to a 12 year B-737 FO...the average pay raise is appx. 5.5%

Add in the 2017 & 2018 3% pay increases and you end up having an 11.5% raise.

Consider the options of turning down TA 2015 carefully.

If disapproved, we can end up going to arbitrage and dragging this out for 2-3 years for only a couple percent more. Then we will be ready for a new contract. Also, the arbitrator's directed to meet just industry standards.


Consider all the facts carefuly and vote wisely!
B-R

Originally Posted by buzzpat

IMHO not nearly enough for all of the give backs, concessions, onerous sick leave policy, and JV craziness. In other words, who cares.

I'd rather live with the current contract than sell my soul for 5% and a nickel per diem.