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Old 06-11-2015 | 04:44 AM
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To be fair, we should probably subtract union dues out of the proposed raises, since ALPA is just doing company work.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
What was the breakdown of the vote?
Check your PMs newK.


TA passed 11-8

Yes: LAX 16, ATL 44, INS 48, SLC 81, CVG 108 Cpt, SEA 54 FO

No: MSP 1, DTW 20, NYC 66, SEA 54 Cpt, CVG 108 FO
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Old 06-11-2015 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's funny that DPA said the opposite. The more you fragment and divide the group the less money you can demand in negotiations. For that reason they pledged to end all efforts almost a year before we would exchange openers for contract 2012. They would not go back on their word would they?
The less money you can demand in negotiations?

Sailing, buddy...

If they stop kicking us in the scrote...at this point it doesn't matter.

This TA actually makes money for the company, shrinks international even further, abrogates seniority, grows out sourced top and bottom scope, guts profit sharing further, etc...At a time of record profits AND leverage for us.

DALPA doesn't represent us. This should never have been ta'd. You don't have Stockholm syndrome, you have battered wife syndrome.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Razor
Check your PMs newK.


TA passed 11-8

Yes: LAX 16, ATL 44, INS 48, SLC 81, CVG 108 Cpt, SEA 54 FO

No: MSP 1, DTW 20, NYC 66, SEA 54 Cpt, CVG 108 FO
What are the numbers for?
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:02 AM
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I think the company's goal was more of a 50%+1 passage. They saw the vote for 2012 and knew they could go even lower.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by westcoste
What are the numbers for?
That's the ALPA National Council number.

ie = Minneapolis is the first local Council ever formed. They are Council 1.

Atlanta is Council 44. etc.

INS is the seniority list simulator instructors in ATL.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dangrad
9. Sick leave debacle. Third party verification? Not good if true

Delta Health Services is an existing COMPANY department which sends us a Crew Health Newsletter monthly.......not a third-party verification company.
Just a poolie here and Delta is and will probably continue to be my first choice (I have another Legacy offer) but the medical part scares me the most about this TA. I dont fully understand the details about sick leave since I don't have access to the info but if the company has access to your medical details via a "third party," think of the possibilities. Not good. Not got good at all. For the military folks who've ever sat around waiting for a waiver to get approved by someone who doesn't know you from Adam, you know what I'm talking about.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
The less money you can demand in negotiations?

Sailing, buddy...

If they stop kicking us in the scrote...at this point it doesn't matter.

This TA actually makes money for the company, shrinks international even further, abrogates seniority, grows out sourced top and bottom scope, guts profit sharing further, etc...At a time of record profits AND leverage for us.

DALPA doesn't represent us. This should never have been ta'd. You don't have Stockholm syndrome, you have battered wife syndrome.
As I've been saying for months, Richard will be able to tell Wall Street he just signed another Cost Neutral contract, all increased costs will be offset by a restructured profit sharing plan and an upgaged fleet, yada, yada, yada.

Just like 2012, only with worse sick leave.

What nit wit thought this was a good idea in times of $6Billon in profits and $6Billion returned to the Shareholders, i.e. Richard and Ed?
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
As I've been saying for months, Richard will be able to tell Wall Street he just signed another Cost Neutral contract, all increased costs will be offset by a restructured profit sharing plan and an upgaged fleet, yada, yada, yada.

Just like 2012, only with worse sick leave.

What nit wit thought this was a good idea in times of $6Billon in profits and $6Billion returned to the Shareholders, i.e. Richard and Ed?
Credit Suisse already told that to Wall Street.

Unfortunately, I only have 1 no vote to cast.

If someone comes up with a con paper, I will happily forward it to every 777 guy in my contact list.
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Old 06-11-2015 | 05:22 AM
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Our sick leave opener was no changes. What did you get in exchange for this particular concession? .05 increase in per diem, that'll buy you one beer on a 4 day trip.

A few days before the TA was out, our reps said pay rates weren't even discussed. I assume they pounded out pay rates in a day, how?
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