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Old 06-09-2015, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I'm surprised the company is even willing to speak the F word (FedEx) during our own negotiations...with their safe and enormous retirement, and their ratio of WB to NB flying. 777 pay rates don't mean much if you're on a 717, 88, 320, etc.
I'm not sure if they did or not. I was just correcting the statement that the new rates were below FedEx.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
No way do they get 65 percent. Isn't that what C2012 got? Every single person that voted no for C2012 will vote no to this. Add in some yes voters turned no. I'm honestly not sure this passes through the MEC.
All I care is that over 50% vote no.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
I think you need to recheck your numbers.

FedEx 777: $261/hour
DAL 777: $311/ hour on amendable date; $330/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 767: $261/hour
DAL 767: $260 an hour on amendable date, $276/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 757 $225/hour
DAL 757 $260/hour on amendable date, $276/hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)





The above is based on the FedEx pay sheet on this website. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I also don't think they have profit sharing, but I'm not sure.

To be honest, I hope they do beat us. But they've been in mediation for years. It would take a huge raise just to beat us, and of course a bigger one to beat us by 20%. I wish them luck (very sincerely).
FDX is three years into this. They will get a 20% bump. So your 767 will be 20% less, or more. And they still have an A-plan which trumps any PS. $135,000 per year after 25 years. FOR LIFE.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Commando
FDX is three years into this. They will get a 20% bump. So your 767 will be 20% less, or more. And they still have an A-plan which trumps any PS. $135,000 per year after 25 years. FOR LIFE.
What about their 757s or 777s?

And my A-plan didn't trump much! Although, you are correct that FedEx has a great one. That said, I think I'd prefer 16% b-plan and profit sharing.

I suppose that it all depend on your age, risk-tolerance, investment returns, and whether you got burned on a pension already.

I do think that if we're comparing, we should do so accurately and not discount our 16%.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:20 AM
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Has anyone seen a supposed total dollar "value" of this TA over it's duration for us?

Curious what they say it is.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
What about their 757s or 777s?

And my A-plan didn't trump much! Although, you are correct that FedEx has a great one. That said, I think I'd prefer 16% b-plan and profit sharing.

I suppose that it all depend on your age, risk-tolerance, investment returns, and whether you got burned on a pension already.

I do think that if we're comparing, we should do so accurately and not discount our 16%.
So, when do we get that 16% again ?????
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by APCLurker
Has anyone seen a supposed total dollar "value" of this TA over it's duration for us?

Curious what they say it is.
I'd like to know that too, but only to come up with a number to put into pay only and leave everything else alone.

They wouldn't have a problem with that, would they?
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Laserowner
Hey,Guys. I am a brand-new member to this forum. I have never, ever logged on or posted anything until now. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a PMNWA 1995 hire. I am a solid "NO" vote on this turkey, but that's not why I posted.

I just want everybody to be safe when we go to work. Don't give the MFs the ammunition to further denigrate our profession. The last thing we need is to have an incident or accident because of distraction in the cockpit.

I hope I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence, I don't mean to preach. I just know my own limitations! I personally plan on making the cockpit a "TA-free" zone for a while. Good luck, Fellas... I hope this finally makes us a "Union" again........
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I'm a first time poster. I have voted yes to every contract placed in front of me since I was hired in '98. So, my bar is low.

However, this is so underwhelming, I can't even begin to express my shock. It's an easy 'NO.'

It's normally voters like me that give you a narrow victory.

This TA is going nowhere.

I'd prefer to keep the old deal.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
No way do they get 65 percent. Isn't that what C2012 got? Every single person that voted no for C2012 will vote no to this. Add in some yes voters turned no. I'm honestly not sure this passes through the MEC.
I'll take C2012 with the NMB protecting our status quo for as long as the company wants to drag it out versus the POS15 TA.

Hopefully the reps will send it back.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Why are you so convinced this TA will make it past the LEC reps?

It's just business, not a threat. But if this makes it out to the pilots, there will be a recallapolooza happening in every LEC.
Not happening for a very good and valid reason. This board represents the minority. Nothing plausible here can and will garner support. The majority of pilots are pragmatic and unemotional thinkers, unlike here. This is an echo chamber for the minority to vent and espouse irrational positions that are far detached from reality. The majority of pilots can do math, unlike here. TVM is an understood concept, rejected here. The majority understands the process of section 6 negotiations, lost in ignorance here.

Step out of the bubble.
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