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06-09-2015 | 10:07 AM
#6641
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I've been sitting in front of my desktop computer all morning and into the early afternoon. Just staring at this "TA."
I haven't shaved.
I haven't brushed my teeth.
I haven't showered.
My phone keeps ringing....but I'm just ignoring it.
That's how p@#%*d I am at this deal.
Why on Earth are we giving concessions on sick leave? Why are we carrying Dr's notes into the Docs office...like 3rd graders?
You want to encourage people to fly sick? What if the illness is mental (Germanwings)?
You want to give up 50% of your profit sharing above 2.5B?
If you are an FO, what are you doing even considering this "deal?" You want your already dismal bid package to get further watered down by LCA's taking trips away?
I could go on, but why?
I haven't shaved.
I haven't brushed my teeth.
I haven't showered.
My phone keeps ringing....but I'm just ignoring it.
That's how p@#%*d I am at this deal.
Why on Earth are we giving concessions on sick leave? Why are we carrying Dr's notes into the Docs office...like 3rd graders?
You want to encourage people to fly sick? What if the illness is mental (Germanwings)?
You want to give up 50% of your profit sharing above 2.5B?
If you are an FO, what are you doing even considering this "deal?" You want your already dismal bid package to get further watered down by LCA's taking trips away?
I could go on, but why?
06-09-2015 | 10:07 AM
#6642
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I'm not sure if they did or not. I was just correcting the statement that the new rates were below FedEx.
06-09-2015 | 10:09 AM
#6643
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From: A320 B Side
06-09-2015 | 10:12 AM
#6644
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I think you need to recheck your numbers.
FedEx 777: $261/hour
DAL 777: $311/ hour on amendable date; $330/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
FedEx 767: $261/hour
DAL 767: $260 an hour on amendable date, $276/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
FedEx 757 $225/hour
DAL 757 $260/hour on amendable date, $276/hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
The above is based on the FedEx pay sheet on this website. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I also don't think they have profit sharing, but I'm not sure.
To be honest, I hope they do beat us. But they've been in mediation for years. It would take a huge raise just to beat us, and of course a bigger one to beat us by 20%. I wish them luck (very sincerely).
FedEx 777: $261/hour
DAL 777: $311/ hour on amendable date; $330/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
FedEx 767: $261/hour
DAL 767: $260 an hour on amendable date, $276/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
FedEx 757 $225/hour
DAL 757 $260/hour on amendable date, $276/hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)
The above is based on the FedEx pay sheet on this website. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I also don't think they have profit sharing, but I'm not sure.
To be honest, I hope they do beat us. But they've been in mediation for years. It would take a huge raise just to beat us, and of course a bigger one to beat us by 20%. I wish them luck (very sincerely).
06-09-2015 | 10:17 AM
#6645
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And my A-plan didn't trump much! Although, you are correct that FedEx has a great one. That said, I think I'd prefer 16% b-plan and profit sharing.
I suppose that it all depend on your age, risk-tolerance, investment returns, and whether you got burned on a pension already.
I do think that if we're comparing, we should do so accurately and not discount our 16%.
06-09-2015 | 10:21 AM
#6647
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What about their 757s or 777s?
And my A-plan didn't trump much! Although, you are correct that FedEx has a great one. That said, I think I'd prefer 16% b-plan and profit sharing.
I suppose that it all depend on your age, risk-tolerance, investment returns, and whether you got burned on a pension already.
I do think that if we're comparing, we should do so accurately and not discount our 16%.
And my A-plan didn't trump much! Although, you are correct that FedEx has a great one. That said, I think I'd prefer 16% b-plan and profit sharing.
I suppose that it all depend on your age, risk-tolerance, investment returns, and whether you got burned on a pension already.
I do think that if we're comparing, we should do so accurately and not discount our 16%.
06-09-2015 | 10:21 AM
#6648
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From: window seat
They wouldn't have a problem with that, would they?
06-09-2015 | 10:23 AM
#6649
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From: Light Chop
Hey,Guys. I am a brand-new member to this forum. I have never, ever logged on or posted anything until now. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a PMNWA 1995 hire. I am a solid "NO" vote on this turkey, but that's not why I posted.
I just want everybody to be safe when we go to work. Don't give the MFs the ammunition to further denigrate our profession. The last thing we need is to have an incident or accident because of distraction in the cockpit.
I hope I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence, I don't mean to preach. I just know my own limitations! I personally plan on making the cockpit a "TA-free" zone for a while. Good luck, Fellas... I hope this finally makes us a "Union" again........
I just want everybody to be safe when we go to work. Don't give the MFs the ammunition to further denigrate our profession. The last thing we need is to have an incident or accident because of distraction in the cockpit.
I hope I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence, I don't mean to preach. I just know my own limitations! I personally plan on making the cockpit a "TA-free" zone for a while. Good luck, Fellas... I hope this finally makes us a "Union" again........
I'm a first time poster. I have voted yes to every contract placed in front of me since I was hired in '98. So, my bar is low.
However, this is so underwhelming, I can't even begin to express my shock. It's an easy 'NO.'
It's normally voters like me that give you a narrow victory.
This TA is going nowhere.
I'd prefer to keep the old deal.
However, this is so underwhelming, I can't even begin to express my shock. It's an easy 'NO.'
It's normally voters like me that give you a narrow victory.
This TA is going nowhere.
I'd prefer to keep the old deal.
Just pull em'.
06-09-2015 | 10:25 AM
#6650
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From: window seat
Hopefully the reps will send it back.
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