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06-16-2015, 08:49 AM
#9201
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You're not posting facts Professor. You're posting the spin from the MEC administration that you are being PAID to post. We all know how this works. You'll stop being paid if you don't stay on message...thus you stay on message.
You're NOT posting facts.
Carl
You're NOT posting facts.
Carl
I am not being paid. At this point I am a volunteer in the truest sense. And my service to this group has nothing to do with blind loyalty to DALPA or any other organization.
It has to do with helping people understand a TA that has lots of changes and isn't all that easy to decipher.
Your attacks are continually rhetorical on me and others and on the facts of the TA. If you argued in facts instead of in some sort of false narrative about an evil MEC out to get you, people would easily be swayed by your arguments.
But you live in a world of confirmation bias. Everything you write is filtered by that bias and doesn't allow others to assess things as they are. And THAT is a disservice to your fellow pilots.
Once more, with feeling, please EVERYONE educate yourself and vote as you see fit on this TA.
06-16-2015, 08:50 AM
#9202
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Sounds
Doing a great job of putting words in my mouth and spinning logical assessments into propaganda there Carl.
Originally Posted by Sounds
You know why it sounds the same? Because that's now business negotiations work.
Originally Posted by Sounds
You don't get any feelings. It's a cold hard calculated business decision.
Originally Posted by Sounds
I lost a god damn fortune in the bankruptcy, but apparently still have the lucidity in my brain to remove my emotion from this fiasco.
Originally Posted by Sounds
Seriously, what do you want the negotiators to say? What is their argument? Feelings of injustice are not leverage.
1. What we all gave up to invest in our company's turn around
2. The fact that our contract doesn't lead the industry in any section
3. The fact that our company is shockingly profitable
4. The company wants a deal FAST FAST FAST!
Next.
Carl
06-16-2015, 08:54 AM
#9203
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,306
Originally Posted by SayAlt
Thank you.
You just demonstrated why putting Bender on "ignore" is a great idea.
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You just demonstrated why putting Bender on "ignore" is a great idea.
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06-16-2015, 08:59 AM
#9206
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Cockpit speaker volume knob set to eleven.
Posts: 1,410
Originally Posted by Professor
Reference my FPL post.
I am not being paid. At this point I am a volunteer in the truest sense. And my service to this group has nothing to do with blind loyalty to DALPA or any other organization.
It has to do with helping people understand a TA that has lots of changes and isn't all that easy to decipher.
Your attacks are continually rhetorical on me and others and on the facts of the TA. If you argued in facts instead of in some sort of false narrative about an evil MEC out to get you, people would easily be swayed by your arguments.
But you live in a world of confirmation bias. Everything you write is filtered by that bias and doesn't allow others to assess things as they are. And THAT is a disservice to your fellow pilots.
Once more, with feeling, please EVERYONE educate yourself and vote as you see fit on this TA.
I am not being paid. At this point I am a volunteer in the truest sense. And my service to this group has nothing to do with blind loyalty to DALPA or any other organization.
It has to do with helping people understand a TA that has lots of changes and isn't all that easy to decipher.
Your attacks are continually rhetorical on me and others and on the facts of the TA. If you argued in facts instead of in some sort of false narrative about an evil MEC out to get you, people would easily be swayed by your arguments.
But you live in a world of confirmation bias. Everything you write is filtered by that bias and doesn't allow others to assess things as they are. And THAT is a disservice to your fellow pilots.
Once more, with feeling, please EVERYONE educate yourself and vote as you see fit on this TA.
06-16-2015, 09:03 AM
#9209
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 618
Originally Posted by qball
Thanks for your time and effort. But just looking at the Negotiators Notepad...the last thing before the signature line...is a highlighted " we urge you to vote yes". I hope all the roadshow reps feel as you do re: "educate yourself and vote as you see fit". That is not what our MEC is urging.
Press a mental ignore button is what I recommend.
06-16-2015, 09:05 AM
#9210
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Posts: 1,184
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes. That's the point of a stock buy back.
Carl
Carl
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