Originally Posted by gloopy

This will be a very damaging TA regardless of how we vote on it. It we pass it we eat massive concessions all around, including unprecidented foreign alter ego airlines and a lower and further reduceable AF/KLM JV. If we vote against it it will take a strong effort to overcome the baseline it created.

So I propose we gift the company 100 million dollars.

That's right, and I'm not kidding.

If the net value of this TA is supposedly 1.1B over 3 years, and assuming it was properly comprehensively costed out (I don't think it was, but the company and the NC will absolutely stand by that it was) then when we vote it down let's offer 1.0B over 3 years to our current contract and put it in payrates alone. Nothing else. Nothing. Else.

The company couldn't possibly have a problem with that, could they? If the true net cost was 1.1B extra and we're offering them a free 100M (to return to the shareholders! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!) then they would be a fiduciary obligation for them to accept that.

Assuming this TA was properly costed out all around that is. Which further assumes they would *never* do any of the worst case things that they *could* do IAW this TA, like massive sick harassment on a scale never before seen, foreign alter egos, 75/76's against a new A380 order for our "partners" AF/KLM, etc.

If the true cost of the pros and cons cost 1.1B extra, from our point of view and theirs, give them one hundred million dollars, or donate it to the charity of their choice, and put the 1.0B into pay rates alone and stick with current book.

What possibe problem could they have with that?

Originally Posted by Timbo

Think about where all the 747 F/O's are going to displace to.

If this thing goes through, instead of them displacing to say, senior 777 F/O or senior A330 F/O, they will probably say, "Well, that whole LCA trip drop thing was great while it lasted, but it sucks so bad now, I'm going to displace into the 767ER Captain seat.".

Presto, the junior 767 Captains are displaced to the 737, and those junior Captains displace to the 88, and those junior Captains have a party because they HATE flying the MD88!

You guys are playing checkers, Richard is playing chess. You all need to look about 2-3 years (at least!) down the road to see the same thing Richard is seeing and setting the table for today.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

To compare apples to apples one needs to consider inflation over the same period of time. Yes we reach the rates by 2018 but as ha been pointed out before, a dollar today doesn't buy what a dollar did in 2004.



On another note Professor, if you are only trying to verify a illness and the company doesn't agree with your Dr and wants you to release your medical records (14.G.1/2), why do they need access to consecutive days before and after? How many days are we talking about? The company's only concern should be the work days you were sick, not anything else...



Denny

Originally Posted by SayAlt

I have now put "Professor" on ignore. I'd like to invite the rest of you to join me.

To put someone on "ignore", here is the procedure:

1. Click on the username; a dropbox will open below it
2. Click on "View public profile"
3. This will take you to their user page. Just underneath their username on the top right you will see two new dropboxes titled "Send message" and "user lists"
4. Click on "User lists"
5. Select "ignore user"
6. Confirm you selection
7. You will now no longer see the posts of that user
8. Win!!
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Edit: I have included BenderRodriguez as well. I hope you will join me.
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Originally Posted by Professor

I appreciate the twisting in the wind, for no reason related to the TA.

Originally Posted by Professor

But my name is neither brian nor shiznit.

Originally Posted by Professor

So I would expect an apology but I'm not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Come on shiznit, relax. I don't care about your name change. It is important though given how rabidly defensive you've always been of the MEC administration. It gives everyone a fair perspective...on your fair perspectives.



I'm sure your birth certificate doesn't say "shiznit" so at least that part of your sentence is true.



Uhhh, I think an apology is due from you shiz. Now, continue your "education" of us...under either screen name.

Carl

Originally Posted by Professor

We are two different humans. Period.

Let us move on.